Posted on Nov 24, 2015
Can background checks really help prevent terrorism?
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I can understand the reasoning for background checks in gun shows. Anyone, any race, any foreigner, any mentally ill person can go to a gun show and buy a weapon. After reading this article, I think it's the right thing to do to protect ourselves and our country. I've never been to a gun show. Main reason is I don't like crowds of people. Especially crowds of people where guns are being displayed out in the open on tables. But, that's just me. I'm sure many of you attend gun shows and are either selling or buying or both. I'd like to hear your comments about gun registration at gun shows.
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If you had ever gone to a gun show then you would know that almost everyone who buys a gun at one must have an instant background check. Vendors who sell guns there are federal firearms licensed dealers and are required by law to do a background check for every sale. Only transactions between individuals are exempt and they can take place anywhere.
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SSG (Join to see)
I tend to see a lot of people selling weapons at gun shows who are not licensed dealers. I don't know if these people are just making some money off guns they no longer want or if they are actively trying to make money by selling guns to people who would normally not be allowed to purchase them. I suspect it is a mix.
How hard would it be to collect the names from all 50 states of people who are not allowed to own guns and consolidate them onto into a single list. Then put up a website and allow people to input drivers license number and/or last 4 of SSN and name to see if they are on the list. Someone could run the check on their smartphone or gun shows could set up a dedicated laptop for people who want to sell their firearms. Either way, an honest person could find out in seconds if they were selling to someone who shouldn't have a gun. BATFE could also go after private sellers willing to sell to criminals or people with a history of domestic violence.
How hard would it be to collect the names from all 50 states of people who are not allowed to own guns and consolidate them onto into a single list. Then put up a website and allow people to input drivers license number and/or last 4 of SSN and name to see if they are on the list. Someone could run the check on their smartphone or gun shows could set up a dedicated laptop for people who want to sell their firearms. Either way, an honest person could find out in seconds if they were selling to someone who shouldn't have a gun. BATFE could also go after private sellers willing to sell to criminals or people with a history of domestic violence.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
If an individual really wants to do a legal sale many licensed gun dealers will do a transfer for you. What they charge is up to them.
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SGT Edward Thomas
Don't forget that individual selling a gun to an individual doesn't go through the NIC system. The whole background check thing only keeps law abiding citizens legal. Criminals transfer weapons of all types without so much as going through any background check system.
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I've bought guns at a gun show, still have to fill out the exact same paperwork and wait for the NIC call before taking possession of a firearm. The "gun-show loophole" is individual sellers who are selling without an FFL which is not a federal requirement and a very minimum amount of the total number of firearms sold. The same people can sell their firearms on craigs list.
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SSG (Join to see)
If you buy from a licensed dealer at a gun show you will have to fill out the paperwork. If you buy from John Doe who is selling half his gun collection at the gun show, there is no paperwork. At least not in Arizona.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I've seen a few walk around a gun show with their firearms, but they aren't selling from a booth. Most of the sales are ranch guns, a few pistols and rarely an AR-15. Those sales are the statistical minimum. Criminals will typically avoid gunshows because they are in large public crowds; criminals tend to steer towards anonymity. Besides, most people in TX aren't selling, they are stock-piling.
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Love gun shows. Dealers at gun shows currently do background checks on any guns that they sell, and frequently do background checks for private citizens selling guns to one another. Not a big deal except for the extra cost involved.
Private sales at gun shows, like private sales anywhere else (family members, friends, swap meets, newspaper ads, etc.) are not covered by the mandatory checks, nor should they be IMHO.
I think it would be more effective if the police and courts removed criminals from our midst so that law-abiding gun owners could go about their business without such government intrusions in their lives. We are not part of the problem; criminals are.
Private sales at gun shows, like private sales anywhere else (family members, friends, swap meets, newspaper ads, etc.) are not covered by the mandatory checks, nor should they be IMHO.
I think it would be more effective if the police and courts removed criminals from our midst so that law-abiding gun owners could go about their business without such government intrusions in their lives. We are not part of the problem; criminals are.
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SGT (Join to see)
So, do you think background checks deter criminals? I sure don't. Criminals have their way of getting guns, and honest people have their way of getting a gun. I prefer the honesty way.
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Capt Seid Waddell
SGT (Join to see), no, criminals are by definition outside the law. Gun laws only affect the law-abiding who are not part of the problem.
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