Posted on Dec 5, 2015
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"To get a visa to the United States, Malik—who reportedly pledged her allegiance to ISIS in a Facebook post during Wednesday’s attack—had to go through an in-person interview, biometrics, and checks against terrorist watch lists. The review included her workplaces, travel history, and family. The process is supposed to be especially rigorous for people from extremist-infested countries such as Pakistan, where she was born. Then, to get a green card, she had to go through additional national security background checks using data from the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. She passed both screenings, most recently in July. Now Pakistanis are trying to blame Saudi Arabia for radicalizing her while the Saudis claim to have no information linking her to militants.

Farook was born in Chicago and grew up in California. Since the attack, investigators have discovered that he had contacts with people “associated” with the Nusra Front (a Syrian al-Qaida affiliate) and Somalia’s al-Shabab. But investigators anonymously concede that all of these contacts are years old, “not substantial” (for example, liking a Facebook page), and not with anyone of “significant investigative concern.” As of Friday night, no one has found a connection to ISIS. The bottom line, according to FBI Director James Comey, is that “we have no indication that these killers … are part of a network.”

And that raises a question. If you can’t stop ideas from crossing borders—if you can’t surveil every node of every network, peer into every soul, and know in advance who’s becoming radicalized—then you have to look for some other, more material transaction to monitor or control. The most obvious such transaction is the acquisition of weaponry. In the ideal world of the National Rifle Association—a world in which guns are freely available and our sole method of regulating their use is through mental health treatment, or sometimes through criminal background checks—anyone with a clean record can buy all the guns and ammo he wants, without raising any alarms. Including Syed Farook.

I’m a skeptic of gun laws. The weapons used in San Bernardino were apparently purchased legally, under California’s relatively strict laws, and then modified illegally. Rounding up most of the guns in this country would be logistically impossible, and enacting mandatory registration would be an enormous political challenge.

But if you’re not willing to pursue some kind of gun registration or gun control, then you’re left with the psychology of the shooter. And what San Bernardino just demonstrated, in the grisliest way, is that we’re even less capable of tracking psychology than we are of tracking guns. So if you want to blame radical Islam, go right ahead. And tell us how you’d monitor the flow of radical Islam from Syria to California. And if you can’t answer that question, then ask yourself whether you love liberty so much that you’re willing to defend the right of everyone, including aspiring jihadists, to stockpile and bear unregistered arms."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/12/syed_farook_and_tashfeen_malik_may_have_been_inspired_to_kill_what_it_means.html

This is an extremely difficult problem. There is no easy or clear solution.

Walt
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The way to win a war of ideas is to prove that your ideas are better.
I will use one simple example.
The Islamists have a finite supply of folks that are willing to die for the cause at any given time. It regenerates, but slowly. Many are coerced into being a suicide bomber. Others are wooed by the prospect of a cash payment to their family. That is one of the ways they recruit those "non-threatening" widows.
SO much of what ISIS does centers around death. It is all they do. The people who live in ISIS territory, all they want to do is live.
The messaging basically is, what do you prefer, life as a free man or death when ISIS chooses you to be the next "volunteer". It is a powerful message.
I am simplifying for brevity, but much of ISIS's rhetoric and actions are vulnerable to effective counter-messaging.
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PO3 Brad Phlipot
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So where the hell is NATO's massive effort? All I have seen is Putin conducting more operations over Syria in a week than we have in a year? Where is the massive effort to turn the tide and stop this?
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Capt Walter Miller
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PO3 Brad Phlipot - That may be coming under Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

Walt
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Maj Mike Sciales
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Spot on!
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Maj Mike Sciales
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You can't stop ideas, but the root cause of "radicalization" is isolation & rejection by the dominant society - with all the islamaphobia going on it just wears people down. Some react with violence. It's an easy fix that's difficult to implement. A great pity b/c until we do acknowledge this we'll see more "lone wolf" murderers. Just a sad and sorry ass fact.
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Yes, the Paris perps all seem to have been in that boat.

Walt
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PO3 Brad Phlipot
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Understand sir, this is what I have seen going on all over our country. Is this the answer sir? The young lady was a Law Student at an IVY league school. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggmbBYUPh1E
The fact that a No Constitution Zone exists in the US is appalling.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-governments-100-mile-border-zone-map
So who has really won the war on Terror? Us or them sir? This response is with all due Respect.
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Maj Mike Sciales
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There aren't any winners, just more dead.
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Capt Walter Miller
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We're losing.

Encouraging people to spy on/report their neighbors is what the Nazis did.

It's a mess.

Walt
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@Capt Walter Miller you have successfully dumbfounded, taken away my fuel and all the above. I now see the issue, my attitude was round em all up and send them back to wherever they came from. I do not like the posture we are in here at home the police are better equipped than we were and all this MRAP BS is just crazy add the TSA friskings and the whole thing sucks. I confess I have no idea how to stop this, for my part all I can do is be vigilant and active in my community. Any intrusion on any of the amendments of the Constitution for security would be as Ben Franklin put it "Those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither". So for GOD sake if you have the answer I'm listening.
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Capt Walter Miller
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It would help to snuff out the caliphate.

I have strongly said that -us- overrunning the ISIS "home land" would be worthless as long as no one local will fight for the ground. But having watched that "No Respite" video ISIS did, where they tout their tough fighters and all that, maybe that is wrong. That is a powerful recruiting tool for them. Fighters born here in the USA (or who are here legally), who can make a difference -here-. That may be the message ISIS is working.

But the Muslim countries, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, even Iran (Iraq is no longer really a country) -- they need to overrun that ground to the degree that their armies can act cohesively.

I said a couple of days ago, how do large scale US operations in western Iraq/Syria look? Do we go through Kuwait again? Lebanon? Syria?
Israel? Any overland supply routes would go through some very unstable areas. That should be avoided. Can we -even- recreate the giant logistical tail we did for OIF?

I would work the message side as hard as I could. I'd work the air strikes and economic things too; dry up their revenue.

Walt
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Maj Mike Sciales
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Here is my recommendation: go have a cup of coffee with a Muslim. Ask questions. Listen to his or her perspective. I think once you get to know one person you'll find your fears or anxieties fading. I'm in Kuwait today, been coming here for 15 years and I've met hundreds of nice folks. I travel about, unarmed, alone and have never once been bothered. The word I most often hear is "Welcome." Followed by an offer of tea and then a visit for a bit. People here are very supportive of the USA of course, but this is also my experience in Lebanon, UAE, Bahrain, Oman & Iraq. I know you are thinking "no way!" But, yes way. Go in with an open mind and you'd be astonished at the reception. We have to move past our national fear of the unfamiliar and understand it isn't everybody else v, Muslims, it's everybody v. Criminal terrorists. The GCC is fully engaged in the fight and we need them. So reach out, it's worth it.
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