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Recently I've been hearing countless remarks, and seeing posts from soldiers and veterans alike. Down talking our commander in chief. How do you feel about this? Should this be allowed within our ranks? Does freedom of speech really play a part?<br><br>
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Name-calling or bashing anyone on social media is tasteless and unprofessional, whether you are an Officer, a Warrant Officer, an NCO, Junior Enlisted, or Civilian. I supported both of our Presidents in all four of the terms they have
served since I put on this uniform and it chagrins me to see my peers
trash either one of them. HOWEVER, the questioning of judgement or motives of those appointed over Enlisted military members is their prerogative, and if we move to a place where there is no freedom of speech on social media platforms, we will quickly become fascist.<br>
served since I put on this uniform and it chagrins me to see my peers
trash either one of them. HOWEVER, the questioning of judgement or motives of those appointed over Enlisted military members is their prerogative, and if we move to a place where there is no freedom of speech on social media platforms, we will quickly become fascist.<br>
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PO1 Michael Spivey
LCpl Michael Cappello - Knowing the oath taken is for life is not limited to Marines. No where in the oath taken and spoken is there a time limit or period declared. It is also very important to realize that the US Constitution is actually a legally binding contract between the Federal Government and the States, that the Constitution was not written by the federal Government it must simply abide and be limited by it. Like all contracts absent a contract amendment the meanings and usage of words and phases are locked into what they meant and how they were use when written, so it is VERY important to understand what the words and phrases meant THEN not how they are used NOW.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
PO1 Michael Spivey - Well said. VERY well said. The words that were used then, have NOT changed in their meaning, or their intent. The problem, in my estimation, is that most people do not speak clear and concise English, these days. Colloquialisms and slang have tended to , pardon my English, "bastardize" the English language. Add to that the fact that most people are NOT well versed with our Constitution. let's face it. Most people do not even know that the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution are two separate documents. Now we have governmental "Representatives" who publicly proclaim that "Committing a crime, does NOT make someone a criminal". Hence, the ?LOGIC? that entering this country ILLEGALLY, is not a crime.
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PO1 Michael Spivey
LCpl Michael Cappello - You are correct languages and words and phrases in languages drift in meaning and usage. Some perfect examples of drift are, Computer at the time of the founding a computer is one who deals the numbers we would call that person an accountant today, Corn which at the time of the founding and for about 50 more years simply meant grains and still does in the UK, what we call Corn today was Maize or Indian Sweet Corn (grain), wheat, barley, oats, millet, maize, black pepper, Black powder, salt, etc. it also means to form into grains (Black Powder) or to granulate and to preserve or season with salt in grains and to cure or preserve in brine containing preservatives and often seasonings ie corned beef. As is done in the English language names or shortened or morphed so Indian sweet corn became simply corn. A good one is the word Gay, how it changed from simply meaning happy to what it has been bastardized to mean today is beyond me!!
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The checks and balances are in place. Unless impeached, he is the Commander In Chief. Promoting propaganda that is contrary to good order and discipline can lead to a Court Martial. <br>Don't do it, don't tolerate those who do. Especially from a superior that refuses to have his authority questioned... Because that is just being a hypocrite.<br>In the meantime, exercise your right to vote, refuse to follow illegal orders and defend the Constitution.<br>
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MSG Richard Pierce
Religion and politics are always touchy subjects. As far as bad mouthing the commander in chief IMO you never do it in a command position, such as Platoon Sgt, squad leader in other words do not venture your opinion to subordinates. If I were in the NCO club and had a discussion with my peers and being civil I see no problem with discussing your opinions . I personally while in the Army would not broadcast my political feelings on facebook or any social media , but when I left active duty in 1986 social media did not exist so my opinions are outdated I am sure .I believe in freedom of speech but use common sense where you use it. The higher the rank the more significance of unlawful orders for my time I never received or gave one but I surely would not have followed one had I.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
CPL Amie Mclaughlin - And, were you taught, as we in the Corps were taught, that the chain of command had MANY checks to determine if an order was LAWFUL ??? Were you also taught that orders, when given through your chain of command, that were NOT followed, those who did NOT follow said orders, would face MULTIPLE charges, under the UCMJ ?? That your dereliction of duty, insubordination, failure to follow orders, etc... would be CHARGEABLE, under the UCMJ, until such orders were PROVEN to be unlawful? Not to mention, anticipation of the possibility, that someone "appointed above you" in the military chain of command, is NOT part of your job description? You do realize, don't you, that, were you fail to obey an order, with alacrity, and explained that your reason why, was because YOU had to first determine whether you believed that order to be unlawful, you could be up on charges of your own. I am unaware whether you are still on active duty or reserve status. Even inactive reserve. If you do not mind a little advice. PLEASE take a little time, and read as many comments and conversations published by SSgt Mary Dungan. My comments and evaluation of her aside, speak to those who are more senior, higher rank, longer time in grade, etc... Single out those whom you consider to be squared away, conscientious, patriotic, and overall GOOD WARRIORS. Ask their opinion of her and others like her. Don't let my E-3 rank fool you. In small, top heavy fields, promotion is slow. I only served one hitch. I was looking at time in grade for a long time. E1-E2 & E2-E3, were BOTH Meritorious promotions. I was even recommended for MECEP. My valuation of her, is someone I would HIGHLY recommend avoiding. Talk to people you respect and admire. See what they have to say. Don't let bad advice ruin your career.
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SPC Timothy Coleman
But, what if that "Propaganda" comes from DJT and/or his administration directly? And then Soldiers ver batem just re-iterate said talking points? And then propaganda that From our Administration that is contrary to good order and discipline, leads the soldier to to a Court Martial. Just like the consequences of quoting Charlie Kirk ver batem has led to unfortunate consequences.
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let me make a couple points. Im no longer subject to the UCMJ! so i can pretty much say anything i want (freedom of speech)! not saying the IRS wont come after me! But as long as your ACTIVE Duty, it is your job to respect the position of POTUS and your Commander in Chief, even if you dont like him or his policies. When i was in Alaska and they forced the military to go to the AFB Hanger to see Clinton, there was a E-7 AF NCO that was saying something derogitory about Clinton (which hated the military). Secret Service over heard him and he got booted out of the military. Ive seen a post before that the same situation has happened with Obama also. If your Active Duty, you just cant do it without a "chance" of you being charged under UCMJ. Thats why I was suprised that some of you active duty people on here making some of your coments. not saying i disagree with you, but your taking unnecessary chances on your career. and if your a senior NCO or officer, your definately taking a chance. Not to mention we all know now that the NSA monitors FB, along with your phone, computor, internet, etc. I know you want tovoice you opinions, but think first and maybe let veterans speak for you...........Now my second point, If im not active duty, I will call it like i see it, if his policies hurt the military, when he tries to take away our benefits we were promised and sacrificed for, when he is lieing to us or trying to BS military families, im going to make it known best i can. if your active duty, about the only thing you can do is maybe talk within your small circle of buddies and most of all go vote! A lot of military just say oh well when it comes to voting and skip it. if all military and vets vote, that is a pretty large group. and like the POTUS said himself, "Elections have consequences"! i think people are realizing that, but too late. And never believe those STAGED photo ops and SPEECHES with military in the background, they are politically staged. Sorry to say, but it is well known that Democrat politicians do not like the military and will hollow it out and take everything they can from it. they are the first ones to throw the military up for cuts but at the same time want to fund illegals, etc. i cannot remember in my lifetime, one democrat president (maybe Kennedy 50 years ago) that supported the military. they just show up for your vote and then go vote away your pay raise. i could keep going but just beware active duty brothers, they will make a example out of you to try to scare anyone against their agenda!
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
SGT (Join to see) - Always remember "Mai Lai" in Nam. American soldiers murdered unarmed civilians (Old men & women/some pregnant & children).
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
An US Army helicopter pilot (Warrant Officer) saw what was going on and landed his Chinook & stopped the assault. There are people in uniform that know right from wrong. This was "NO FOG OF WAR". The Geneva Conventions should be taught at every basic military training school & probably by the chaplains in the field. We are NOT allowed to even execute POW's.
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SSgt Robert Simonds
SPC Daniel Dresen - you have a lot of bitterness and hatered in your heart. Something you will need help in. solving. Aparently you are not a christian as praying and forgiveness works wonders to relieve the stress you seem to be living under. If not good luck on your exile. it is a happy place you will be moving to.
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PO1 Michael Spivey
SP5 Delphis Kaczowski - In 1977-78 following finding and orders of the My Lia Courts Martial training was instituted US Military wide. The training class I sat in when AD had the NAS Moffett Field JAG (O7) in attendance the main points were Oath, Responsibility, and that "I was obeying Orders" is not a defense if the order is unlawful. The training hammered in that one had better be sure it is actually an unlawful order, BUT if it is unlawful that all are oath bound to not only say no BUT HELL NO. We all left that training subdued, we all knew our oath had weight and it was a lot of responsibility, but we were all the final test if an order is actually illegal and reprehensible.
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