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Women in the Military
Women in the Military
Posted 6 y ago
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I could not respond to your pool as i dont agree with any of the offerings. You were close though.
" Humans should be allowed in all roles, as long as they meet THE standards."
That would be Mental, Physical, Health, security, drug use, ect ect.
" Humans should be allowed in all roles, as long as they meet THE standards."
That would be Mental, Physical, Health, security, drug use, ect ect.
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MSgt John McGowan
I have worked with women before, military and civilian. Female maintenance types are a mixed bag to me. I had 2 female electrical type and types they were. One was very smart and would hang with you on dirty hot work. The other not so much, in fact she was send to production. Some women can’t take the heat and start crying. That I can’t stand plus they have you at a dis-advantage for I always got someone to set in on any discussion. Also I can’t see a women carry a 70 to 8p lb backpack.
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Standards are defined by policy. There is a common misunderstanding that Males & Females have different "Standards." They do not. Both Males & Females must pass a PFT and adhere to Grooming as defined by Regulation and Order aka the "Standard." However, there may be slight deviations within specific proxies or metrics because humans are not all built the same, and the DoD acknowledges that within said Orders & Regulations, stating that we WILL use Science Based Methodology to develop said Standards (the Standards must NOT be arbitrary).
This is where the confusion comes into play. Male and Female "machines" can be paralleled to rifles and pistols on a range. Both have huge advantages as well as disadvantages. If you tried to judge either on the other's range, you would end up with skewed results, hence the need for different proxies (like Flex arm hang vs pull up or different run times on a PFT).
This does not mean you cannot have Objective Tests when testing for specific tests, but remember that combat happens to you, not the other way around. It's great to set high(er) standards for those you expect to face combat, but it's a disservice to think that combat can't happen to any of us, and that the truck driver who is hauling someone from point A to point B won't need to drag you out when that IED happens....
This is where the confusion comes into play. Male and Female "machines" can be paralleled to rifles and pistols on a range. Both have huge advantages as well as disadvantages. If you tried to judge either on the other's range, you would end up with skewed results, hence the need for different proxies (like Flex arm hang vs pull up or different run times on a PFT).
This does not mean you cannot have Objective Tests when testing for specific tests, but remember that combat happens to you, not the other way around. It's great to set high(er) standards for those you expect to face combat, but it's a disservice to think that combat can't happen to any of us, and that the truck driver who is hauling someone from point A to point B won't need to drag you out when that IED happens....
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#1 and #3 are the same thing. Just saying. Women should be allowed to do any job they can qualify for, and should NOT be pushed into jobs that they can't qualify for as individuals.
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