Posted on Jun 8, 2015
Who is responsible for the Iraqi Forces and their lack of training??
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Where does the fault lie after the President of these United States acknowledges that there is absolutely NO strategy for training the Iraqi Forces??
Do you think that pulling out too quickly has made the Iraqi's feel betrayed?
Is that why their morale is suffering?
You do realize that the POTUS took our forces out, just to send 3000 back in? Having said that, do you think the President will ever acknowledge the fact that pulling all our forces out was probably NOT the smartest thing to do?!
The POTUS would like the Sunni's to get more involved. How can they be involved when they feel that there is a lack of training and weapons in order to defeat ISIS/ISIL? "Guarantees create Confidence, and we need Confidence."
Are our Basic Combat Skills enough in order to defeat ISIS/ISIL?? I know when the USA military puts it all together, it is. And we kick A$$, but is this kind of strategy and training enough for the barbaric actions ISIS/ISIL take?
Again, I believe that President Obama's strategy (and the lack there of) is what created ISIS/ISIL. I believe that collectively, it is both his and the Iraqi Governments fault.
You can believe whatever it is you want. There are many questions within this question and no where does it state that BO is 100% Responsible. What I do state is my opinion. If it were Bush's fault, you would state it too. Getting tired of you RP bullies. I will say, you make yourselves look like complete idiots.
Anyways, what is your OPINION????
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f93da7336ad04967a30b4cb53247e091/obama-huddles-over-mideast-problems-summit-sidelines
Do you think that pulling out too quickly has made the Iraqi's feel betrayed?
Is that why their morale is suffering?
You do realize that the POTUS took our forces out, just to send 3000 back in? Having said that, do you think the President will ever acknowledge the fact that pulling all our forces out was probably NOT the smartest thing to do?!
The POTUS would like the Sunni's to get more involved. How can they be involved when they feel that there is a lack of training and weapons in order to defeat ISIS/ISIL? "Guarantees create Confidence, and we need Confidence."
Are our Basic Combat Skills enough in order to defeat ISIS/ISIL?? I know when the USA military puts it all together, it is. And we kick A$$, but is this kind of strategy and training enough for the barbaric actions ISIS/ISIL take?
Again, I believe that President Obama's strategy (and the lack there of) is what created ISIS/ISIL. I believe that collectively, it is both his and the Iraqi Governments fault.
You can believe whatever it is you want. There are many questions within this question and no where does it state that BO is 100% Responsible. What I do state is my opinion. If it were Bush's fault, you would state it too. Getting tired of you RP bullies. I will say, you make yourselves look like complete idiots.
Anyways, what is your OPINION????
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f93da7336ad04967a30b4cb53247e091/obama-huddles-over-mideast-problems-summit-sidelines
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Here is a serious question for people.
How long does it take to build an effective Army? How many years? How many decades? How many generations?
We forget that we have an Officer & NCO Corps that includes INDIVIDUAL experience in excess of 30 years. We have institutional knowledge that goes back more than two centuries. And we steal from much older empires than ours.
"Modern" Iraq has existed for how long? A dozen years. We can barely "build" good Field Grades & Mid-Grade NCOs in that amount of time. How are we going to help build Generals & Senior Enlisted Advisers?
As for who is responsible. We break it, we bought it. We went in there, and tore down what was a "functioning government" (and by functioning, I mean like functioning alcoholic). I know this is not a popular opinion, but choices have consequences, and we made the choice to go in. We made the choice to elect officials who made that call. We bear that responsibility. Just because we don't like it 15 years later doesn't undo that decision.
How long does it take to build an effective Army? How many years? How many decades? How many generations?
We forget that we have an Officer & NCO Corps that includes INDIVIDUAL experience in excess of 30 years. We have institutional knowledge that goes back more than two centuries. And we steal from much older empires than ours.
"Modern" Iraq has existed for how long? A dozen years. We can barely "build" good Field Grades & Mid-Grade NCOs in that amount of time. How are we going to help build Generals & Senior Enlisted Advisers?
As for who is responsible. We break it, we bought it. We went in there, and tore down what was a "functioning government" (and by functioning, I mean like functioning alcoholic). I know this is not a popular opinion, but choices have consequences, and we made the choice to go in. We made the choice to elect officials who made that call. We bear that responsibility. Just because we don't like it 15 years later doesn't undo that decision.
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Capt Richard I P.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS Fair points. I just want to cut that bait. And not make that mistake again.
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If Paul Bremer would not desolve baath party allot of these would not be happening, Iraq would still have an army police and some sort of economy, we could have started with what was in place but we broke the system that they already had (if you wanted to do any thing in Iraq you had to join baath party)
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Do any of y'all believe that we pulled out prematurely??
I hear people talking about how the Iraqi's wanted the US out, but I have never seen that argument. I feel that we created this mess when we left. And also, strategically, Iraq is the central point to all of the "radicals." Is a great staging point.
I hear people talking about how the Iraqi's wanted the US out, but I have never seen that argument. I feel that we created this mess when we left. And also, strategically, Iraq is the central point to all of the "radicals." Is a great staging point.
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I'm going to put this one on Messers Sykes and Picot, and anyone in a leadership position who doesn't know those names.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I think this comedy of errors has been perpetuated long since 1915 though. Just think, another 6~ months, and we'll be dealing with this fiasco for a full century!
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Capt Richard I P.
"Bring on the clowns, the jokers and buffoons, I've had the time of my life and the life of my time in the company of fools!"
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Honestly I think a lot of it is on the Iraqi people/leadership. If they truly believed in running their own show I think they would have put more emphasis on it. It needs to be a united effort from Iraq's diverse cultures to secure themselves. They cannot forever rely on an outside power to keep away aggressors and people who do not want that way of life or want all the control. Sure we could have stayed longer and spent more money and potentially more lives there. The hard question is at what point does the state need to take complete responsibility for itself? I'm not sure anyone has or had that answer.
To compare modern Iraq to us is apples to oranges. Yes we have had years to develop our force structures, however when we revolted against the monarchy we only had the weaponry we could obtain or already had, and went up against a well sorted out military force. The win ultimately came from the will to be free and lead ourselves. Maybe that is what is lacking in this situation?
To compare modern Iraq to us is apples to oranges. Yes we have had years to develop our force structures, however when we revolted against the monarchy we only had the weaponry we could obtain or already had, and went up against a well sorted out military force. The win ultimately came from the will to be free and lead ourselves. Maybe that is what is lacking in this situation?
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