Posted on Jun 18, 2015
Why Does This Keep Happening? Cop shoots into a car with unarmed teenagers inside.
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I'm tired of this happening more often than not. Black people are being killed by cops even though the blacks weren't armed. There was one at a gas station where the man was shot by an overzealous cop. He asked the man for ID, then when the man leaned into his car, he was shot twice. Another shooting occurred when a black man was stopped by a police officer, then took off running. He was shot several times in the back and died at the scene. Now, another one was directed into a packed car with unarmed teenagers. I think police all over the nation need to have trading, training, training, so they won't get so rattled they kill unarmed people.
This video is self explanatory. When are cops going to remember there are cameras everywhere?
Video has finally surfaced of a Chicago police officer was recorded on video firing over a dozen shots into a car filled with six unarmed black teenagers. The video was recorded in December 2013 but was only recently obtained by The Chicago Reporter thanks to an irate former judge who had it in his personal posession. Officer Marco Proano, the officer shown in the video, has been cleared of six previous complaints filed against him between 2011 and 2015, including one involving excessive force. The video was provided by retired judge Andrew Berman, who was the magistrate in a criminal case against one of the teenagers. Berman called the video one of the most unsettling things he'd ever seen in his 18 years as a judge. "I've seen lots of gruesome, grisly crimes,” he said. “But this is disturbing on a whole different level.” Two of the teenagers were injured.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/06/18/cop-fires-at-car-full-of-black-teens.html?via=newsletter&source=CSPMedition
This video is self explanatory. When are cops going to remember there are cameras everywhere?
Video has finally surfaced of a Chicago police officer was recorded on video firing over a dozen shots into a car filled with six unarmed black teenagers. The video was recorded in December 2013 but was only recently obtained by The Chicago Reporter thanks to an irate former judge who had it in his personal posession. Officer Marco Proano, the officer shown in the video, has been cleared of six previous complaints filed against him between 2011 and 2015, including one involving excessive force. The video was provided by retired judge Andrew Berman, who was the magistrate in a criminal case against one of the teenagers. Berman called the video one of the most unsettling things he'd ever seen in his 18 years as a judge. "I've seen lots of gruesome, grisly crimes,” he said. “But this is disturbing on a whole different level.” Two of the teenagers were injured.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/06/18/cop-fires-at-car-full-of-black-teens.html?via=newsletter&source=CSPMedition
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My first thought Mr Bodine is that you are posting this only to gain popularity here. If this truly bothered you then perhaps you would do more research to find out what was really going on here. This story has no credible sources- only an edited video with no audio that shows a back up officer arriving after the initial confrontation. Does anyone here truly know if they were unarmed? Does anyone know what was said or if there were any indications made that they could be a danger as far as running into another officer or person? You're essentially trying to stir up rhetoric over a story that certainly doesn't give but a fraction of all the details. I completely disagree that you find it necessary to post about things you actually know nothing about.
For example- if I hear that a plane crashed and killed 150 people, I refrain from assuming that the pilot made a mistake for two reasons:
1- I am not a pilot. And that is a difficult job.
2- I was not there. It's easy to judge from your living room recliner when you have no idea what truly happened. Only people that were there would really know.
Sure, it's absolutely possible that the officers made poor choices. But in most cases like this, there is more to the story that might change a judge mental person's mind. I would also venture to say that race is rarely a factor in police misconduct compared to instances of improper or lack of training, etc.
For example- if I hear that a plane crashed and killed 150 people, I refrain from assuming that the pilot made a mistake for two reasons:
1- I am not a pilot. And that is a difficult job.
2- I was not there. It's easy to judge from your living room recliner when you have no idea what truly happened. Only people that were there would really know.
Sure, it's absolutely possible that the officers made poor choices. But in most cases like this, there is more to the story that might change a judge mental person's mind. I would also venture to say that race is rarely a factor in police misconduct compared to instances of improper or lack of training, etc.
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SSgt Korey Thompson, Wow, you have me all wrong. I don't care if I'm popular. I didn't post this to gain attention. You know nothing about me, as I know nothing about you. You have no idea how bad these shootings bother me.
MAJ Carl Ballinger , I was in Detroit,Michigan in July, 1967 for the racial riots going on. I was with the 101st at the time. The NG weren't able to take control, so the regulars were called up. The 82nd and 101st were sent. I had just returned from Vietnam and was still trying to absorb that. Our AO was a gym in the ghettos of Detroit. We rode around with the police to capture snipers. One night we got shot at. We chased down the shooters, ( three teenage boys), and turned them over to the police. We followed the police away from the scene and then the police stopped their car. The police took the three teenagers out of the car and went into an ally behind a motel. We heard three shotgun blasts. They were facing the wall and shot in the backs. Our PL was with the police when the shooting happened. He came to our jeep and told us, you don't know anything, you didn't see anything, you didn't hear anything, and to keep our mouths shut. I lived with those murders for years and still do. I tried to rectify the murders by talking to several African American agencies in Detroit. Nobody wanted to touch it. I talked about it in my PTSD sessions and was told the same thing the Detroit agencies told me. Forget about it. It's been too long ago and most have already died. That wasn't any satisfaction for me. I just have to keep thinking about it the rest of my life.
That is the reason these shootings bother me. It doesn't matter if it happens once or several times. It's wrong and needs to be addressed, and not forgotten about. If you will go on line and put 1967 Detroit riots in, you will see near the middle bottom the three kids names and how the cops told their story. It's a huge cover up and lies. The cops told it as the three boys were in a shootout with them at the motel and were killed there. The weapon used to shoot at us was a starter pistol with blanks in it.
So, if you have a problem with my posting this, it's your problem. Thank you for your reply.
MAJ Carl Ballinger , I was in Detroit,Michigan in July, 1967 for the racial riots going on. I was with the 101st at the time. The NG weren't able to take control, so the regulars were called up. The 82nd and 101st were sent. I had just returned from Vietnam and was still trying to absorb that. Our AO was a gym in the ghettos of Detroit. We rode around with the police to capture snipers. One night we got shot at. We chased down the shooters, ( three teenage boys), and turned them over to the police. We followed the police away from the scene and then the police stopped their car. The police took the three teenagers out of the car and went into an ally behind a motel. We heard three shotgun blasts. They were facing the wall and shot in the backs. Our PL was with the police when the shooting happened. He came to our jeep and told us, you don't know anything, you didn't see anything, you didn't hear anything, and to keep our mouths shut. I lived with those murders for years and still do. I tried to rectify the murders by talking to several African American agencies in Detroit. Nobody wanted to touch it. I talked about it in my PTSD sessions and was told the same thing the Detroit agencies told me. Forget about it. It's been too long ago and most have already died. That wasn't any satisfaction for me. I just have to keep thinking about it the rest of my life.
That is the reason these shootings bother me. It doesn't matter if it happens once or several times. It's wrong and needs to be addressed, and not forgotten about. If you will go on line and put 1967 Detroit riots in, you will see near the middle bottom the three kids names and how the cops told their story. It's a huge cover up and lies. The cops told it as the three boys were in a shootout with them at the motel and were killed there. The weapon used to shoot at us was a starter pistol with blanks in it.
So, if you have a problem with my posting this, it's your problem. Thank you for your reply.
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SSgt Korey Thompson, I looked at your bio and now I understand where you're coming from. You're so wrong about me. Our SS teacher is one of my best friends and a retired 35 year cop. He talks about these things happening, because they do. He's an honest, down to earth person. I have many police officer friends. I'm not going to defend myself. I posted it. I thought it was interesting to read.
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SSgt Korey Thompson, You want more? Here's more.
A dashboard camera video obtained by The Chicago Reporter shows a police officer firing more than a dozen shots into a car filled with black teenagers in apparent violation of Chicago Police Department policy.
The video emerges at a time when iPhones, security cameras and other devices across the country are capturing images that often contradict police accounts of incidents in which officers are accused of misconduct.
In the video, recorded in December 2013, a Chicago police officer, identified in court documents as Marco Proano, shoots into a moving car of six unarmed teenagers at 95th and LaSalle streets on the city’s South Side. Two of the teenagers were shot – one in the shoulder and the other in the left hip and right heel, according to court documents.
Retired Cook County Judge Andrew Berman was so troubled by the video that he provided it to the Reporter. Berman was the judge in a criminal case against one of the teenagers. He described Proano’s actions as the most unsettling thing he’d seen in his 18 years as a judge and 17 years as a public defender.
“I’ve seen lots of gruesome, grisly crimes,” he said. “But this is disturbing on a whole different level.”
This isn’t the first time Proano has been accused of using excessive force, but it is the only complaint against him in the past four years that involved a shooting, according to CPD and court records. Proano was cleared in six previous complaints filed against him between 2011 and 2015, one of which involved excessive force.
The video is at the center of a federal lawsuit filed on behalf of the teens against the city and three police officers, which was settled in March. The City Council still must approve the $360,000 payout, which is expected in coming weeks. While it is a relatively small sum compared to some settlements to people who were killed by Chicago police officers, it is still more money than almost 90 percent of police misconduct payments by the city last year.
City lawyers successfully convinced a federal judge to put the video under a protective order, which prevented parties to the lawsuit from releasing it publicly. Neither Judge Berman nor the Reporter are legally bound by the order.
The Reporter’s calls to Proano were not returned and his lawyer declined to comment. Proano admitted in a federal court filing that he was the police officer who opened fire on the car filled with teenagers.
The city’s Independent Police Review Authority, known as IPRA, has not completed its investigation of the incident 18 months later. FBI officials would neither confirm nor deny a Chicago Sun-Times report that the agency is investigating the shooting.
Proano has been assigned to desk duty, according to the police department, but he has not been disciplined and remains on the force.
After the shooting, police discovered that the car the teenagers were driving was stolen. Three teens were charged. Their lawyers declined to comment on the charges or the proposed settlement of the federal lawsuit.
Berman heard one of the cases on his last day before retiring, and that’s when he saw the video.
“My first reaction was, if those are white kids in the car, there’s no way they [would] shoot,” he said.
Of the 50 victims of police shootings in Chicago last year, 78 percent were black, according to IPRA statistics.
“You don’t start firing into a car full of unarmed people,” Berman said. “You just don’t do that.”
Chicago Police Department policy, updated in February, prohibits “firing at or into a moving vehicle when the vehicle is the only force used against the sworn member or another person.”
Asked to view the video and offer his perspective, Jerry Staton, a retired detective who spent 25 years with the Austin (Tex.) Police Department said: “I see nothing in this video that would justify him shooting at this car. Having said that, it’s possible he knew something that I don’t know.”
Berman found the teenager in his courtroom not guilty of possessing a stolen motor vehicle. He said the State’s Attorney failed to prove that the teen knew the car was stolen, and his verdict would have been the same even if no shots had been fired.
But he said he hopes the video will put a spotlight on Proano’s actions and hold the officer accountable for what he called an “outrageous overuse of deadly force.”
“He shouldn’t be allowed to be out there with a gun,” Berman said. “He has shown callous disregard for human life.”
This happened in 2013. Times haven't changed much.
A dashboard camera video obtained by The Chicago Reporter shows a police officer firing more than a dozen shots into a car filled with black teenagers in apparent violation of Chicago Police Department policy.
The video emerges at a time when iPhones, security cameras and other devices across the country are capturing images that often contradict police accounts of incidents in which officers are accused of misconduct.
In the video, recorded in December 2013, a Chicago police officer, identified in court documents as Marco Proano, shoots into a moving car of six unarmed teenagers at 95th and LaSalle streets on the city’s South Side. Two of the teenagers were shot – one in the shoulder and the other in the left hip and right heel, according to court documents.
Retired Cook County Judge Andrew Berman was so troubled by the video that he provided it to the Reporter. Berman was the judge in a criminal case against one of the teenagers. He described Proano’s actions as the most unsettling thing he’d seen in his 18 years as a judge and 17 years as a public defender.
“I’ve seen lots of gruesome, grisly crimes,” he said. “But this is disturbing on a whole different level.”
This isn’t the first time Proano has been accused of using excessive force, but it is the only complaint against him in the past four years that involved a shooting, according to CPD and court records. Proano was cleared in six previous complaints filed against him between 2011 and 2015, one of which involved excessive force.
The video is at the center of a federal lawsuit filed on behalf of the teens against the city and three police officers, which was settled in March. The City Council still must approve the $360,000 payout, which is expected in coming weeks. While it is a relatively small sum compared to some settlements to people who were killed by Chicago police officers, it is still more money than almost 90 percent of police misconduct payments by the city last year.
City lawyers successfully convinced a federal judge to put the video under a protective order, which prevented parties to the lawsuit from releasing it publicly. Neither Judge Berman nor the Reporter are legally bound by the order.
The Reporter’s calls to Proano were not returned and his lawyer declined to comment. Proano admitted in a federal court filing that he was the police officer who opened fire on the car filled with teenagers.
The city’s Independent Police Review Authority, known as IPRA, has not completed its investigation of the incident 18 months later. FBI officials would neither confirm nor deny a Chicago Sun-Times report that the agency is investigating the shooting.
Proano has been assigned to desk duty, according to the police department, but he has not been disciplined and remains on the force.
After the shooting, police discovered that the car the teenagers were driving was stolen. Three teens were charged. Their lawyers declined to comment on the charges or the proposed settlement of the federal lawsuit.
Berman heard one of the cases on his last day before retiring, and that’s when he saw the video.
“My first reaction was, if those are white kids in the car, there’s no way they [would] shoot,” he said.
Of the 50 victims of police shootings in Chicago last year, 78 percent were black, according to IPRA statistics.
“You don’t start firing into a car full of unarmed people,” Berman said. “You just don’t do that.”
Chicago Police Department policy, updated in February, prohibits “firing at or into a moving vehicle when the vehicle is the only force used against the sworn member or another person.”
Asked to view the video and offer his perspective, Jerry Staton, a retired detective who spent 25 years with the Austin (Tex.) Police Department said: “I see nothing in this video that would justify him shooting at this car. Having said that, it’s possible he knew something that I don’t know.”
Berman found the teenager in his courtroom not guilty of possessing a stolen motor vehicle. He said the State’s Attorney failed to prove that the teen knew the car was stolen, and his verdict would have been the same even if no shots had been fired.
But he said he hopes the video will put a spotlight on Proano’s actions and hold the officer accountable for what he called an “outrageous overuse of deadly force.”
“He shouldn’t be allowed to be out there with a gun,” Berman said. “He has shown callous disregard for human life.”
This happened in 2013. Times haven't changed much.
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SSgt Korey Thompson
Yes I read this and watched these. And you need to understand something. I'm not necessarily saying that the officers there live under rainbows and walk on flowers and piss gold or whatever it is you seem to think I'm implying. Perhaps mistakes were made, as most officers that face fatal events would self-admittedly do things a little different if given the chance. I am simply stating that it's a difficult job, one which you do not have the qualifications or mental capacity to do or criticize. Officers these days must make split second decisions that Joe Blow's like you criticize forever. Do you even understand how an officer's use of forces is evaluated? Do you have any clue what Graham vs Connor is and which amendment it applies to? How about Tennessee vs Garner? I already know you're going to look at Google and then reply to me. Although that's not going to help me prove my point, at limeade you will have educated yourself slightly in this matter. and no Mr Bodine, having a friend that was a cop does not make you an expert. Sorry to break it to you.
Yes, as an LE officer I support the cause. But wake up grandpa. I am the first to recognize when an officer CLEARLY screws up and there is no doubt. Do you think I like it when an officer screws up and makes me look bad? Of course not. I'll feed them to the wolves and let the public have a fair crack. But when there is a lot of questions unanswered, it's better to remain silent about a subject.
I would like to ask, besides military have you ever had a real job?! If the answer is no then you are unqualified to judge any job, let alone a difficult one. If the answer is yes, then I'd venture to say that you saw other people that did that same job that were very good at it, and maybe some that weren't. Ding ding ding! That's EVERY job. And now if I saw someone that was poor at that job, it would be improper of me to assume you're a dirt bag because you have the same job right?! Duh! Reality is that most people are proficient. You just hear about the bad stuff more because of all your buddies working in liberal media, that spend more time working on stories that complement their personal agenda.
And on a final note, you and your liberal media friends need to study and quit assuming that because someone is not "armed" that they are not dangerous or that deadly force isn't authorized. After reading this you will google the case laws I mentioned above and learn about the 4th amendment. If you read well enough you will also learn about the threat triangle and how ALL uses of force are evaluated. Unfortunately this won't help you to understand how faulty most force options are or the principles behind them, but I think it's still a step in the right direction.
Yes, as an LE officer I support the cause. But wake up grandpa. I am the first to recognize when an officer CLEARLY screws up and there is no doubt. Do you think I like it when an officer screws up and makes me look bad? Of course not. I'll feed them to the wolves and let the public have a fair crack. But when there is a lot of questions unanswered, it's better to remain silent about a subject.
I would like to ask, besides military have you ever had a real job?! If the answer is no then you are unqualified to judge any job, let alone a difficult one. If the answer is yes, then I'd venture to say that you saw other people that did that same job that were very good at it, and maybe some that weren't. Ding ding ding! That's EVERY job. And now if I saw someone that was poor at that job, it would be improper of me to assume you're a dirt bag because you have the same job right?! Duh! Reality is that most people are proficient. You just hear about the bad stuff more because of all your buddies working in liberal media, that spend more time working on stories that complement their personal agenda.
And on a final note, you and your liberal media friends need to study and quit assuming that because someone is not "armed" that they are not dangerous or that deadly force isn't authorized. After reading this you will google the case laws I mentioned above and learn about the 4th amendment. If you read well enough you will also learn about the threat triangle and how ALL uses of force are evaluated. Unfortunately this won't help you to understand how faulty most force options are or the principles behind them, but I think it's still a step in the right direction.
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The cop is like 15 yards away has his pistol aimed at the mob is silly. I am reading more and more about cops who use excessive force habitually have no actions taken against them by policed departments.
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In law enforcement one is a servant of the public, they are held to a very high standard. 99.9% of them do a great job, the problem is that when you have a bad apple it makes all the rest look bad as well. This is in no way fair to those who serve the public well.
Just look what happens when once of us in the military does something awful, the press goes in a feeding frenzy.
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Just look what happens when once of us in the military does something awful, the press goes in a feeding frenzy.
Tim Mcveigh
Nidal Malik Hasan
Hasan Karim Akbar
Lynndie England
Charles A. Graner
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