Posted on Mar 7, 2023
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The tragedy of the deaths of 2 of four Americans at the hands of Drug Cartels operating in Mexico begs the question - When is enough - enough?
Some are calling for US Military intervention to level the head of the snake and place "salt" on the body of the snake to desiccate its mobility and striking capacity.
Some are calling for less aggressive means.
These links were interesting to review:
- https://www.storybench.org/visualizing-mexicos-drug-cartels-roundup-maps/
- https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/R41576.pdf
- https://edac.unm.edu/projects/meth_labs/
- https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf
- https://kfor.com/news/interactive-map-tracking-cartel-arrests-across-the-country/
- https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/dea-drug-cartels-using-snapchat-other-social-media-to-target-children/
- https://trone.house.gov/2022/08/30/how-two-mexican-drug-cartels-came-to-dominate-americas-fentanyl-supply/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/pjifea/map_of_meth_labs_per_county/
- https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs43/43386/43386p.pdf
- https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13 [login to see] 3-2
- https://www.randoxtoxicology.com/illicit-drugs-costs-the-usa-more-than-740-billion-annually/
It is interesting how we know so much and somehow can do so little.........
Again, I'd just like to say - If "We the people of the United States,..." are to work to form "...a more perfect union..." then how can we continue to tolerate a government that speaks to "equity" and at the same time excludes it population from the capacity to enjoy "...domestic tranquility..." by not being able to effectively and efficiently "...provide for the common defense..." in such a manner so as to be able to "...promote the general welfare..." that leads to greater capacity to "...establish justice..." so that everyone who seeks the protection of the law know that the power of good law well administered without political despotism can help '...secure the blessings of liberty..."; then why the ##$%@##@$#$^#$&#$^#$*@Q@ cannot 535 members of Congress, #s of those in the Executive Branch, and the obviously delusional members of some in the Justice Department not honestly recognize the very Clear and Present Danger in both the US Southern and Northern Borders and along all three coast lines?
Is it that hard for those who call themselves leaders to - actually led???
Of course, the answer is simple ..........................
BTW check out this follow-on post regarding cartel etc. asset seizures. Interesting read!
(https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-should-be-done-with-seized-assets-from-the-drug-cartels-including-rogue-opportunistic-doctors-pharmacist)
What do you think?
Just saying.............
Some are calling for US Military intervention to level the head of the snake and place "salt" on the body of the snake to desiccate its mobility and striking capacity.
Some are calling for less aggressive means.
These links were interesting to review:
- https://www.storybench.org/visualizing-mexicos-drug-cartels-roundup-maps/
- https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/R41576.pdf
- https://edac.unm.edu/projects/meth_labs/
- https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf
- https://kfor.com/news/interactive-map-tracking-cartel-arrests-across-the-country/
- https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/dea-drug-cartels-using-snapchat-other-social-media-to-target-children/
- https://trone.house.gov/2022/08/30/how-two-mexican-drug-cartels-came-to-dominate-americas-fentanyl-supply/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/pjifea/map_of_meth_labs_per_county/
- https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs43/43386/43386p.pdf
- https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13 [login to see] 3-2
- https://www.randoxtoxicology.com/illicit-drugs-costs-the-usa-more-than-740-billion-annually/
It is interesting how we know so much and somehow can do so little.........
Again, I'd just like to say - If "We the people of the United States,..." are to work to form "...a more perfect union..." then how can we continue to tolerate a government that speaks to "equity" and at the same time excludes it population from the capacity to enjoy "...domestic tranquility..." by not being able to effectively and efficiently "...provide for the common defense..." in such a manner so as to be able to "...promote the general welfare..." that leads to greater capacity to "...establish justice..." so that everyone who seeks the protection of the law know that the power of good law well administered without political despotism can help '...secure the blessings of liberty..."; then why the ##$%@##@$#$^#$&#$^#$*@Q@ cannot 535 members of Congress, #s of those in the Executive Branch, and the obviously delusional members of some in the Justice Department not honestly recognize the very Clear and Present Danger in both the US Southern and Northern Borders and along all three coast lines?
Is it that hard for those who call themselves leaders to - actually led???
Of course, the answer is simple ..........................
BTW check out this follow-on post regarding cartel etc. asset seizures. Interesting read!
(https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-should-be-done-with-seized-assets-from-the-drug-cartels-including-rogue-opportunistic-doctors-pharmacist)
What do you think?
Just saying.............
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I'm all in with COL Cudworth and his post.
That said, if this folks didn't do their due diligence before they traveled, then it's on them. There's no way my family will go anywhere in Mexico given the current violence there.
That said, if this folks didn't do their due diligence before they traveled, then it's on them. There's no way my family will go anywhere in Mexico given the current violence there.
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TSgt (Join to see)
One thing is certain we will not do anything while democrats are in control. Democrats humiliaated us in Vietnam and in Afghanistan.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Even before these incidents, worldwide Mexico has the highest murder rate of visitors to their country which had already reached 35% of those on the entire planet Earth. It's not all drug cartels either but all sorts of Criminals running out of control. I have no intention of visiting Mexico anytime with things that out of control.
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PO2 Lawrence Moody
I believe that the leadership in this country is in cahoots with the drug suppliers and that is how they have all these arms and training and the excuse of open borders,,
if you do not know the story of the pilot hired by the CIA to traffic drugs for them so they could fund their own programs, I guess you enlighten yourself..
Ask yourself, who really funded the assassination of JFK??
There are no ties to or was there any resentment for anything JFK did to Lee H. Oswald to have him murder him.
A job , just in the right place at the right time... No one saw Lee bring the weapon in the building..
A simple man able to plan and pin point the exact place and timing of the President?? , but that is a whole different story..
Beware the monster you created... AI is next..
if you do not know the story of the pilot hired by the CIA to traffic drugs for them so they could fund their own programs, I guess you enlighten yourself..
Ask yourself, who really funded the assassination of JFK??
There are no ties to or was there any resentment for anything JFK did to Lee H. Oswald to have him murder him.
A job , just in the right place at the right time... No one saw Lee bring the weapon in the building..
A simple man able to plan and pin point the exact place and timing of the President?? , but that is a whole different story..
Beware the monster you created... AI is next..
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
I've Been To Mexico A Couple Of Times, Around The Border Areas Of Uvalde,Texas.
Mainly Out Of Curiosity And To See How They Lived.... Then Again About 6 Months Later,
When My Future Wife Was Purchasing A Custom Tailored Wedding Dress & The Brides Maids Were Doing The Same....I Had No Problems What-So-Ever, And All Went Smoothly.
I Would NOT, However, Go Very Deep Into Mexico As The Populations Are Living Mostly In Poverty.. And When One Is INTO One Of Those Area, They Can Expect To Be Stolen From.
After All, What's The WORST That CAN Happen?
OTHER THAN Getting Your-ass Beat-Up & Murdered?
Mainly Out Of Curiosity And To See How They Lived.... Then Again About 6 Months Later,
When My Future Wife Was Purchasing A Custom Tailored Wedding Dress & The Brides Maids Were Doing The Same....I Had No Problems What-So-Ever, And All Went Smoothly.
I Would NOT, However, Go Very Deep Into Mexico As The Populations Are Living Mostly In Poverty.. And When One Is INTO One Of Those Area, They Can Expect To Be Stolen From.
After All, What's The WORST That CAN Happen?
OTHER THAN Getting Your-ass Beat-Up & Murdered?
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SGT John Schmelzkopf
Under present "Leadership", CiC on down, it would just be another Embarrassment, the ROE's from this Leadership would just get Troops Killed! This needs to be a No holds Barred, Unannounced Wipe Out, Hunt Down. I mean Hunt Down, Blow the Mansions to smithereens, hunt down all the Dealers, Soldiers and Mules till all are accounted for. Plan in very closed Circle, no unnecessary People that could Leak, Plan to hit all Cartels at exact same time, Covert Staging that give close to exact Travel Time. Do not announce to Mexico till Bombs actually fall, have overpowering Air Cover so Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador knows we no playing games No More, He had his Chance
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PO1 Robert Ryan
I say Nuke them till they Glow. Good thing I'm in no political position to take any action.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
PO1 Robert Ryan -
AGREED,,, They're Like Glow Sticks,
We Need To Crack Them In Half
And Shake The Hell Out Of Them,
Until They See The Light..
AGREED,,, They're Like Glow Sticks,
We Need To Crack Them In Half
And Shake The Hell Out Of Them,
Until They See The Light..
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The problem is that it is nowhere near being cut and dry. Mexico is full of dozens of cartels. All scrambling to be relevant. You remove one from the equation another pops up in it's place. There isn't a central "villain" to aim your crosshair at. It's a pile of random thugs doing thug things. The solution is not as simple as sending in the Military to eliminate a target. It's way more complex than that because there are large areas within Mexico where cartels openly move and operate just like a Policeman here in the US does while on the beat. State Dept travel advisories exist for a reason because there are parts of the world where your safety isn't guaranteed.
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CPO Nate S.
SSgt Christophe Murphy I don't disagree as to complexity of the issue or the implied simplicity of sending in the military.
Also, you are 100% correct about the State Dept travel advisories. However, my family and I are considering a faith trip to Israel in 2 years as our church goes every other year. I have been to Israel several times while on AD.
It could be said that Israel is dangerous to travel to, but 1000s go to the Holy Land to renew their spirits. People take calculated risks all the time. This time the calculation was flawed, and people lost their lives.
Your comment "...The problem is that it is nowhere near being cut and dry. Mexico is full of dozens of cartels. All scrambling to be relevant. You remove one from the equation another pops up in it's place..." is true; however, don't nothing is also not acceptable just because.
So, a trip of 1000 miles with many points on that winding road is never completed unless one is willing to place one foot in front of the other to begin that trip no matter how difficult or uncertain. As with all war fighting it is about an integrated and clear battle plan to put interlocking field of fire down on the enemy to force the capitulation or destruction. My service with "my" Marines taught me that we have to adapt and overcome.
Just saying.............from an old FMF HM!!!
Also, you are 100% correct about the State Dept travel advisories. However, my family and I are considering a faith trip to Israel in 2 years as our church goes every other year. I have been to Israel several times while on AD.
It could be said that Israel is dangerous to travel to, but 1000s go to the Holy Land to renew their spirits. People take calculated risks all the time. This time the calculation was flawed, and people lost their lives.
Your comment "...The problem is that it is nowhere near being cut and dry. Mexico is full of dozens of cartels. All scrambling to be relevant. You remove one from the equation another pops up in it's place..." is true; however, don't nothing is also not acceptable just because.
So, a trip of 1000 miles with many points on that winding road is never completed unless one is willing to place one foot in front of the other to begin that trip no matter how difficult or uncertain. As with all war fighting it is about an integrated and clear battle plan to put interlocking field of fire down on the enemy to force the capitulation or destruction. My service with "my" Marines taught me that we have to adapt and overcome.
Just saying.............from an old FMF HM!!!
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
CPO Nate S. I’m not suggesting “doing nothing” but I don’t think sending in a Bn of troops would be the solution.
I spent a year in Jerusalem on MSG working at the Consulate (pre-Trump era). Israel definitely has it’s quirks and pros/cons. It’s an amazing country but their is certainly issues where officials abuse authority and go a little too far at times. But comparing Israel to Mexico is like comparing apples and oranges. There may be small similarities but there are way more differences
I spent a year in Jerusalem on MSG working at the Consulate (pre-Trump era). Israel definitely has it’s quirks and pros/cons. It’s an amazing country but their is certainly issues where officials abuse authority and go a little too far at times. But comparing Israel to Mexico is like comparing apples and oranges. There may be small similarities but there are way more differences
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SSgt Christophe Murphy - ...
Here's A Thought For Consideration:
Find Their Source Of Water, Pour A Lot Of Salt To It.
The Salt Will Give Them Diarrhea, And They'll Run Themselves Out Of Town.
Just A Thought, And Besides, It Can Be Done Without Firing A Shot;
But THEY Will Need A Lot More Toilet Paper
Here's A Thought For Consideration:
Find Their Source Of Water, Pour A Lot Of Salt To It.
The Salt Will Give Them Diarrhea, And They'll Run Themselves Out Of Town.
Just A Thought, And Besides, It Can Be Done Without Firing A Shot;
But THEY Will Need A Lot More Toilet Paper
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CPO Nate S.
SSgt Christophe Murphy - I had the occasion Israel 3x during my career. Amazing people, scenery and people of all backgrounds.
Every nation has abused its authority and that is historically accurate!!!
I was only making the point that there a places that may be more dangerous than others. But like Mecca, Jerusalem is a Holy City and while areas of Jerusalem (not the old city) that have been bombed to attach the "old city" would be nuts. If "radical Arabs" bombed Mecca from a fundamentalist perspective and in that "fog" tried to create a message no one wants to heard, then all hell would break loose unless cooler heads prevailed.
That said, all I am saying is that if you gave me the key to NYC I was toss in the Atlantic Ocean. NOT impressed with the LACK of leadership!!!
BTW, I was NOT in any way attempting to compare Israel to Mexico. Yes, they are very different on many levels. Yet, all I am saying, is the mindset of cartel terrorist or religious terrorist is not dissimilar!!! Both threaten "...domestic tranquility..." and the ability to "...provide for the common defense..." so that the "...general welfare..." for all provides the basis upon which to built the objectives for the capacity "...establish justice..." so that each human being can "...secure the blessings of liberty for themselves and their posterity...". After all, why have a Preamble as the overarching themes upon which to build a society that so ALL of us can are able to "...mutually pledge to each other our Live, our Fortunes, and out Sacred Honor..." to assert that "...all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the (honest) pursuit of Happiness."
For me, the son and grandson of Holocaust survivors and a 1st generation American born in Texas, who grew up in the Deep South because that is where my father's USAF career took us before he was 100% SCD retired, understand on so many levels what other continue to remain ignorant of. That is - FREEDOM - is fight!!!
That is why those who excuse "THUGS" are themselves cowards!!!
Sorry, I am just venting! I agree with you! Yet, like many politics like the "Gentlemen, who pulled the Fire Alarm, now fanes ignorance, given his former professional background." Are you Freak'n kidding me. How many PhDs must you have to believe such BS! And, I am college educated. Amazing! Simple, Amazing!!!!
Every nation has abused its authority and that is historically accurate!!!
I was only making the point that there a places that may be more dangerous than others. But like Mecca, Jerusalem is a Holy City and while areas of Jerusalem (not the old city) that have been bombed to attach the "old city" would be nuts. If "radical Arabs" bombed Mecca from a fundamentalist perspective and in that "fog" tried to create a message no one wants to heard, then all hell would break loose unless cooler heads prevailed.
That said, all I am saying is that if you gave me the key to NYC I was toss in the Atlantic Ocean. NOT impressed with the LACK of leadership!!!
BTW, I was NOT in any way attempting to compare Israel to Mexico. Yes, they are very different on many levels. Yet, all I am saying, is the mindset of cartel terrorist or religious terrorist is not dissimilar!!! Both threaten "...domestic tranquility..." and the ability to "...provide for the common defense..." so that the "...general welfare..." for all provides the basis upon which to built the objectives for the capacity "...establish justice..." so that each human being can "...secure the blessings of liberty for themselves and their posterity...". After all, why have a Preamble as the overarching themes upon which to build a society that so ALL of us can are able to "...mutually pledge to each other our Live, our Fortunes, and out Sacred Honor..." to assert that "...all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the (honest) pursuit of Happiness."
For me, the son and grandson of Holocaust survivors and a 1st generation American born in Texas, who grew up in the Deep South because that is where my father's USAF career took us before he was 100% SCD retired, understand on so many levels what other continue to remain ignorant of. That is - FREEDOM - is fight!!!
That is why those who excuse "THUGS" are themselves cowards!!!
Sorry, I am just venting! I agree with you! Yet, like many politics like the "Gentlemen, who pulled the Fire Alarm, now fanes ignorance, given his former professional background." Are you Freak'n kidding me. How many PhDs must you have to believe such BS! And, I am college educated. Amazing! Simple, Amazing!!!!
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