Posted on Jan 11, 2015
PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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I wanted to know if I can fight the fact that the navy wants to kick me out at my EAOS . After PERS has obligated to retain me in service and I passed my board. It was and admin board for PFA FAILURES and at the time I did not have 6 years in. I requested the board and I got it. But as I get to my window for rotation my C-way can not go in . Please I need advise
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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PO3 (Join to see) I think you have found your "source" .... it's the page 13. You will not be allowed to proceed with your career until you have demonstrated your progress/success in October 2015. This IS a local command issue. The admin board heard your plea and responded - now it's up to YOU to prove that you are what you claimed to be during the board.

In the end, it's all on you. You have requested the time to get into shape and pass the PFA. Your command is simply saying: "you asked, now show us" You are being prevented from transferring until the probation period has been completed.

Work on it sailor - you have an opportunity that few ever get.

I'm proud to know you....take good care of our Navy.
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SFC Nyla Newville
SFC Nyla Newville
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It takes hard work to stay in prove to yourself that you got it fight for what you want I didn't make 27 years staying put I have kind a forgotten how many units I had to move to to stay in, take chances and try go to as many schools as they will allow all that learning makes you valuable at the same time keep physically fit and do you best.
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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I really do love that I am getting all this support! (Jack of the dust) I live and breath the financial side of the CS world. However, I do also believe that if there is a will there is a way. I want to understand mostly on what's going on but I am a stub born women and really don't take NO for and answer so I will take the advice given and hopefully some questions I've writen down get answered !! Thank you all so much :)
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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PO3...fix that post sailor....you got info there that does not need to be seen....
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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???? What do you mean ?
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I was not in the USN, but I strongly recommend that if you want to stay in, promise to pass all your PT assesments, and exhaust all your appeals. Let them know you will go all the way to stay in. Military service is no longer gauranteed, with the downsizing they are kicking out troops left and right, for drug charges, alcohol events, PFT, Not making H/W, or any little infraction they can. Keep your nose clean and take the high road.
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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thank you Michael for the advice and thank you for your support and comments
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Admin Board - can I avoid being processed out?
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PO3 (Join to see) I have been out of the Navy so long that I don't want to even try and give you advice about your situation. I only wanted to wish you luck and I hope things work out for you.

It's been a long time since I saw anybody with the Jack of the Dust title, BTW. Nice to see such an old tradition still being used.
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Thanks to PO3 (Join to see) and PO3 (Join to see) for causing me to learn something today. For anyone else interested, here's an article about "Jack of the Dust":

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=2978

PO3 (Join to see), I wish you the best of luck as well. I'm sorry I can't offer any advice. I guess if I were in your shoes, I'd keep trying until I exhausted every opportunity. Maybe go up the chain? Maybe get one of your leaders to advocate for you? Just some thoughts from an old Army guy's perspective. Good luck!
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PO3 Purchasing Manager
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CW5 (Join to see) I only ever heard that title when I was mess cranking (TAD to the mess decks) as a young lad. I always thought it was a cool way to stay connected to the Navy's heritage.
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SA Harold Hansmann
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I also hav been a JOD, "EO" temporarily reassigned to the galley as provisions pick up personnel while stationed in Okinawa Japan. I gained about 20lbs doing that job.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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PO3 (Join to see) there's something missing here. Sounds like someone still has some sort of legal hold on you or has not released it. You say you got your admin board and I'm assuming you successfully defended yourself and the board has allowed you to stay in - am I correct?

However, the Navy can still process you out at EAOS. I'm not sure what you're intentions are - but it seems to me there are other factors that are not being mentioned in your missive. Have you spoken to your CMC (Command Master Chief)? Be upfront with the CMC - ask him to be upfront with you, you might be surprised at what you hear.

Let me be honest with you, failing PFA's is a HUGE deal these days - I had to deal with my own issues late in my own career. For someone as young as yourself to have PFA issues is not a good sign for the future - especially if I were a Commanding Officer having to consider transferring you to another command. Any CO worth his weight in salt will think hard and long about sending you to another command - only to find out you failed another PFA as soon as you got there.

With all that being said - obviously your argument at the Admin board was persuasive. You may find your current command aloof and unwilling to communicate with you; afterall you took up their challenge and won. Use your chain of command - don't jump it - the command may well be setting you up for failure. Speak respectfully at each level - don't whimper, whine or complain. Have a list of questions in your hand. If the answer is no, respectfully request permission to speak to the next person in the chain, if necessary, in writing. In fact, take a request chit with you, signed by yourself at each meeting. (I'm assuming we still have request chits - dang, it's been a day or so).

While it seems simple - it's the path you have to take.
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LTC Stephen C.
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PO3 (Join to see), please heed PO1 (Join to see)'s words and take action pronto!
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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Where's an ADMIN when we REALLLY need them??????????
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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PO3 (Join to see) everything PO1 (Join to see) has advised you to do needs to be done ASAP. This is a public forum and not a good place to air your history.

If you want more advise about this and can be vague, now that PO1 and I along with everyone else at RP knows your story I will be glad to assist and coach also.

One of the suggestions made was to contact your Command Master Chief, if you have not spoken to him/her about this matter, DO IT. Have all of your information and questions written and with you please. This sounds like a very complex issue and it is going to take some digging.

Start NOW, not later and - GET IN SHAPE! You made a commitment to pass your PFA, that is the least you can do on your part.
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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Thank you sir on your information, and I am doing so with editing and taking certain things down. I do oplogize for all my business being out there and I have started my digging my chain of command is behind me as well I just wanted and outside view to see if this was at least alittle bit fishy. Thank you
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CWO3 Shawn Kopaczewski
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Talk to a lawyer a real one not a (sea lawyer) a JAG. Good luck and never give up.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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First and before anything else - if you have not - get in the BEST shape of your life! You made a commitment to pass your PFA and everything else hinges on that PERIOD. No excuses, NONE. Your commitment to this has to be total and complete. If you fail one more time, you are OUT. Do you understand this?

If I were in your command, would NOT, and could not transfer you until you passed your PFA with flying colors. Once you do that then you get my full backing for anything you have earned. Notice I said, earned, not desire. Navy pays off for the things we earn. Once you have proven yourself, then and only then will you have a fighting chance to stay in the Navy.

Do I sound like I am giving you a hard time? I am telling you the truth, plain and simple. Your life and your career is in your hands, not mine or anyone elses. Get it together and earn what you want.
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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No, not at all sir, do I feel like your being hard and to tell you the truth I rather you be that way then sugar coat it. I do Believe that you have to earn your keep in the navy and I know it sounds like I am winning, I do think so myself, but I have come to fair to quit and at the time I heard that news I didn't know what to do. I felt like I was kicked when I was already down or working my way back up. I do highly appreciate that you and other men from leadership positions have lend me a hand in telling me what needs to happen. And don't worry I will do so. But in no way do I think your being to hard. I'm a tough cookie.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Good to know that you are tough PO3 (Join to see). I did not think you were winning, just asking for advice. Want you to know you have my backing Sailor.
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PO3 Jack Of The Dust
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Well thank you
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Edited 11 y ago
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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PFA failures, as in multiple. You sir are done. For whatever reason you didn't stand up to the rigorous physical standards the Navy has set forth. You are now trying to waste time for those that will remain on active duty because they are within standards. After having retired from the Navy after 20 years I take a very dim view of someone that is unwilling to remain physically ready for their duty. You need to start looking for life after service, visiting the VA while still on Active Duty so if there are any physical issues they can be more easily connected with service. It makes you being rated much easier.
There are administrative steps that have to be undertaken. But the conclusion in this kind of deal is the same. You are leaving over this.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1900Separation/Documents/1910-170.pdf
The reference is from the military personnel manual. It clearly details what you are required to go through during your separation.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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Actually...yes I have fought MILPERSMAN and succeeded - more than once in my career. Which is why I made my statement above. As for professionalism - you're short a card or two. There is a huge difference between being a professional and being a leader - neither of which are you displaying in this forum.

Food for thought - you can always tell someone to go to hell, Marines do it every day. The trick is to get the person you want to go to hell to look forward to the trip......
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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Good luck with that line of thought. I am able to express an opinion after having been in charge of admin separations for a variety of reasons, and somehow manage not to lower myself to using grade school name calling or personal put downs. Perhaps a mission pause is in order.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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I very seldom down vote anyone PO1 Aaron Baltosser but had to make an exception in your case because you didn't even take the time to see who you were talking to. When you say, "You sir are done." When talking to a female Sailor, I hardly ever call her SIR. are you really in the conversation? Plus, you need to know more before ending her career.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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I looked at the 1/5th inch size picture and didn't look at the name I stand corrected on that point. As far as me ending that Sailor's career, not so much. I have dealt with that issue in the past, and have never seen a Sailor effectively get out from under that burden once the command starts pushing. If there are regs supporting her staying and countering the Military Personnel Manual I would enjoy seeing that documentation. It would be exceptionally helpful to her in this instance.
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