Posted on Jan 10, 2016
Advice on bullet points for new Army NCOER system?
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Just write what your subordinate did or didn't do. Keep it simple and be honest. Good, bad, or ugly they get what they deserve based on their performance. Most importantly, actually counsel them.
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I wrote one two weeks ago and it's making its way through the chop chain. I started by rereading ADP and ADRP 6-22, specifically the portions that detail leadership attributes and competencies. I then read through the NCOER portions of AR and DA PAM 623-3. Finally I read through the NCO's career map and NCO Performance Measures supplement. Then I organized my thoughts into bullets. Like the old bullets, I showed an action and result, but with this one I emphasized the competencies. The boxes were smaller so it was a challenge but so far I've only had minor corrections from my NCO support channel.
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To actually answer the question, my advice would be to take the time to read the references and understand what is really required. There isn't much room for error in those small boxes.
As for the bullets, many of the old rules still apply such as leading with a verb, quantify/qualify, and have an action/result. I looked at the performance measure and transformed it to have a specific action and result that pointed to how that NCO performed within that attribute. I also tried to use key words within the bullet. For example, for PRESENCE I wrote a bullet like "employed resiliency by reorganizing his sections' deployment cycle to meet emerging requirements"
As for the bullets, many of the old rules still apply such as leading with a verb, quantify/qualify, and have an action/result. I looked at the performance measure and transformed it to have a specific action and result that pointed to how that NCO performed within that attribute. I also tried to use key words within the bullet. For example, for PRESENCE I wrote a bullet like "employed resiliency by reorganizing his sections' deployment cycle to meet emerging requirements"
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Thanks for the info SFC Rose Shutts. I'm re-reading the ADRP right now. One thing I wasn't sure of though was about the Operational and Broadening assignments under the Senior Rater section.
Does it have to be tied to the career map on OCMI, or can it come from the MI Corps section of DA Pam 600-25? That covers Operational assignments such as "Great Skills Program" and "Special Missions Unit" (page 222 of the PDF), but the 35F PDNCO Map on OCMI does not list that for 35F.
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SGT Mullet
Does it have to be tied to the career map on OCMI, or can it come from the MI Corps section of DA Pam 600-25? That covers Operational assignments such as "Great Skills Program" and "Special Missions Unit" (page 222 of the PDF), but the 35F PDNCO Map on OCMI does not list that for 35F.
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SGT Mullet - I'm going to be honest and say I haven't seen the one from OCMI. I solely used the DA PAM here to ensure the NCO's position matches their rank or next rank. I also admit that we have a little more flexibility to make these match in the SOF community. This NCOER is for a SSG serving in a SFC role so his duty description is a SEnior Intelligence Sergeant to meet that SFC wicket.
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Thank you SFC Shutts.
Here's the link to the OCMI one: https://ikn.army.mil/apps/IKNWMS/IKN_Websites/USAICoE/OCMI/enlisted.htm
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SGT Mullet
Here's the link to the OCMI one: https://ikn.army.mil/apps/IKNWMS/IKN_Websites/USAICoE/OCMI/enlisted.htm
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SSG Marcelain,
The NCOER has not changed in respect to bullets. It requires two things that accounts for quantifiable factors and the are ACTION and RESULT. The only change is in how you rate your subordinates and how you rate amongst your peers. However, if you stick to the two factors that I pointed out, you'll never worry about fluff, they'll always be quantifiable and it will keep you competitive.
The NCOER has not changed in respect to bullets. It requires two things that accounts for quantifiable factors and the are ACTION and RESULT. The only change is in how you rate your subordinates and how you rate amongst your peers. However, if you stick to the two factors that I pointed out, you'll never worry about fluff, they'll always be quantifiable and it will keep you competitive.
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Easy to write a good eval but, a bad one even with counseling WELL?
Works well at current duty position, Committed to lots of time on personal matters, Cannot distinguish Him/Her from subordinates), Attends mandatory training often, Accomplished one semester 14 credit hours while in a heavy combat zone, Subordinates rally to Him/Her in unfavorable situations, Provides legal advice to all soldiers who are facing UCMJ (note this is not for a JAG eval), Selected as rear detachment commander 3 times consecutively, Always available by cell or text message, Obtained high score on Mortal combat, Qualified personal weapon within the last 2 years, Subordinates excelled past His/Her pay grade, VA is all up to date for when Him/Her get out in 4 years, ACAP is up to date, SM spends so much time at the aid station they gave Him/Her an performance evaluation, Accomplished 21 hours of debt counselling, Insures spouse and significant other are both takin care of(call the MPs), If not for formations where about would be unknown, Financially popular with local business, Spends quality time with subordinates after duty hours
Works well at current duty position, Committed to lots of time on personal matters, Cannot distinguish Him/Her from subordinates), Attends mandatory training often, Accomplished one semester 14 credit hours while in a heavy combat zone, Subordinates rally to Him/Her in unfavorable situations, Provides legal advice to all soldiers who are facing UCMJ (note this is not for a JAG eval), Selected as rear detachment commander 3 times consecutively, Always available by cell or text message, Obtained high score on Mortal combat, Qualified personal weapon within the last 2 years, Subordinates excelled past His/Her pay grade, VA is all up to date for when Him/Her get out in 4 years, ACAP is up to date, SM spends so much time at the aid station they gave Him/Her an performance evaluation, Accomplished 21 hours of debt counselling, Insures spouse and significant other are both takin care of(call the MPs), If not for formations where about would be unknown, Financially popular with local business, Spends quality time with subordinates after duty hours
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The easiest way to write a NCOER is to do the quarterly counseling in bullet form. Write out what they did for that quarter i.e. Rifle range, APFT, NCO Board etc. that way you have a good running list of what happened during the rating period and do not have to pull stuff out of your backside. During your quarterly counseling sessions your Soldier can give you things that they did as well. This makes the NCOER process very easy. NCOERs are only hard when you do not do your job properly.
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I do know how to quarterly counsel. The new NCOER is mirrored off of the OER. Looking for conversion information mostly. Thanks though!
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MSG David Akins
I've been retired for a very long time, but SSG Carter what you say, regardless of changes, is extremely important. I found that monthly formal one on one sessions improved skills and motivated. All people want to know where they stand and how to improve, well, at least all who seek to advance. In my mind there are three necessary traits to be in charge of your own destiny: Honesty, energy, and common sense.
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A good advice is to follow the support form. When you follow the support firm properly you will get to the end and have the bullets you need to generate the final -9! This is the advice I got from HRC SGM! It is working good for me now and should for anyone who actually follows it!
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This is a good topic. I just wrote one but it was within the old standards. I have to start now we are in a new year and in a new rating period. I trying to review the support form to help. I don't think we still really use the support form right. It is hard when you are in the reserves. But when it comes to writing bullets I use the qualitative/quantitative model. There has to be something that they do beyond their expected duties. It should make them stand out. If they didn't do anything then I won't fluff it. You have to be consistent. So many times I see mediocre NCOs get a good eval when it should really say he did his job and that's about it.
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SSG Stacy Carter
The 2166-8-1... Or now the 2166-9-1 is a great tool when used properly. When you take the time to properly fill one out it practically writes the NCOER for you.
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SFC Jeffrey Port
I found the 2166-8-1 on HRC website, but not the link with the DA 2166-9-2 form, Did I miss it? Does anyone have the direct link to this form?
Thank you,
SFC Port
Thank you,
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I'm doing mine right now with my PSG, the thing is pretty interesting to say the least. Be sure you reference the DA PAM and follow it to the letter. There's a lot of "ism's" in it that you need to be aware of!
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MSG Antonio Giuliano
Not true regarding Bullet and Narrative. Only the Rater writes in bullet form in the new NCOER. The Senior Rater "always" writes in narrative format. And when SGMs/CSMs are rated, the comments by their Rater and Senior Rater are written in narrative only.
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MSG, you may have misread what I meant. The senior rater has a narrative paragraph. The rater has a "narrative" but it has to be in bullet format. I hope that clarified any confusion my first post may have caused.
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MSG Antonio Giuliano
SFC, thank you. Please accept my apology. I misread what you meant in your first post. HOOAH!
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SFC Jeffrey Port
Hello SSG,
I notice on the-9 series support form, under authentication section, it asks for initial's and provides for digital signatures only in four blocks by rater, and rated NCO, two blocks for the reviewer.
It seems that the -9 NCOER format will be a living document that you and soldier will have to be required to digitally sign for quarterly counseling, not type in and sign later while preparing the annual NCOER document.
I thought I would bring this up for discussion also.
SFC Port
I notice on the-9 series support form, under authentication section, it asks for initial's and provides for digital signatures only in four blocks by rater, and rated NCO, two blocks for the reviewer.
It seems that the -9 NCOER format will be a living document that you and soldier will have to be required to digitally sign for quarterly counseling, not type in and sign later while preparing the annual NCOER document.
I thought I would bring this up for discussion also.
SFC Port
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Quantify. Don't use "filler" bullets. Make mention of awards and recognitions, how much their hand recipe is worth, and if you really need help, the best resource will be your supervisor (NCO) or 1SG. No shame in asking for guidance.
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