Posted on Mar 29, 2019
Am I entitled to compensation time for being on gate guard?
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Trying to figure out whether I’m entitled to compensation time for being on gate guard. the 3 corps general has a Policy letter out called “family first” saying the commanders will grant appropriate time for soldiers spent on duty during weekends and holidays which I was on gate guard for 4 months, noted in paragraph 4C but my NCOs are saying that I don’t fall under 4c and that I fall under 3B so they are telling me I’m not entitled to any comp time
https://www.hood.army.mil/leaders/policies/Corps/new/11_Family_First_Policy.pdf
https://www.hood.army.mil/leaders/policies/Corps/new/11_Family_First_Policy.pdf
Compensation
Gate Guard
Fort Cavazos
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Since I’ve been in the Army (over 19yrs) no where have I’ve seen any Soldier given compensation time off for gate guard. When you have gate guard, that’s a duty that becomes your work schedule for a 90-120 days depending on where you are stationed, so you’re not “entitled” to compensated time off, if that was the case MPs and hospital personnel would constantly have compensated off because they have to work weekends and holidays. Now if your unit decides they want to grant you a 3 day or 4 day pass then that’s at their discretion but they are not obligated or required to “give” you compensated time off.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
MAJ Byron Oyler - Sir, not to sound crazy...but you'll probably get the time off...an Enlisted soldier will not...rank has its privileges.
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Maj John Bell
SFC Christopher Taggart - I don't buy that for a minute.
I can't remember:
_a single day I secured for the day before my unit secured
_a single 72 or 96 I didn't come in to work on one or more days
_a day I wasn't in garrison before reveille
_a day where I was not in the Battalion area if any Marine assigned to my command was completing extra military instruction.
I can't remember:
_a single day I secured for the day before my unit secured
_a single 72 or 96 I didn't come in to work on one or more days
_a day I wasn't in garrison before reveille
_a day where I was not in the Battalion area if any Marine assigned to my command was completing extra military instruction.
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MAJ Byron Oyler - The Army (and her sister services) are not democracies. We don't get to vote on policy however much as we might like to.
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1SG Cj Grisham
My response would be that the policy letter states they ARE required to give comp time and he's entitled to it, but he said himself he's working six on two off. He's getting comp time, though it may not always be on a weekend.
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How many days out of seven did you work? Remember, you are 'entitled to' three hots and a cot, medical, dental, and a few other things. Time off is not one of them, that is what leave is for.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
SPC (Join to see) - I wouldn't complain...it's all in preparation in working in the civilian world...try working 7 days a week, 8-10 a day for six months. That was my first civilian job out...of course I didn't last.
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1SG Cj Grisham
SPC (Join to see) if you're getting two days off, you're getting your comp time. It may not he a saturday or sunday, but you're getting your "weekends." 3B only says that they don't need an exception to policy to make you work weekends for OPORDs, but 4C does say they have to comp you - which they are by giving you two days off at the end of your "week."
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Maj John Bell
SPC (Join to see) - Try the Marine Rifle Company Conus routine, go to the field Monday morning come out Thursday afternoon, 0630-1630 on Friday. Saturday and Sunday off, if you don't have duty. Your not going to get much sympathy here.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC (Join to see) - That is a similar schedule to when I did late night SCIF watch. You are getting two days of comp time, but more importantly your being on gate guard duty likely got you our of a whole bunch of normal in garrison unit busy work you would have had to do if you were not on special duty.
BTW, I always volunteered for SCIF watch. Sure it pulls you out of the normal weekend schedule but the getting away from normal duty was a type of break that I enjoyed from time to time, just to do something new.
BTW, I always volunteered for SCIF watch. Sure it pulls you out of the normal weekend schedule but the getting away from normal duty was a type of break that I enjoyed from time to time, just to do something new.
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Looks to me like both 3B and 4C apply to you. 3B says that you should expect occasionally having weekend duty. 4C tells commanders that whenever soldiers are given weekend duty, they should give those soldiers appropriate comp time. Those two paragraphs appear to work together, and should not be interpreted as stand-alone paragraphs.
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Unless you were working the gate 7 days a week you were ALREADY granted comp time.
You say you were on this tasking for 4 months. I am guessing that even though you had to work weekends, during the tasking you had weekdays off. THAT was your comp time.
Now... if you were working M-F every week PLUS working every other weekend, or you worked 6 or 7 days a week every week, or worked 12 hour shifts 5 days a week (on shift - not counting PT, chow, etc.), or some other such craziness, then yes, addressing comp time MAY be appropriate.
But I'd bet dollars to donuts that was NOT the case, because that is a good way to burn out a Soldier and reduce effectiveness at a critical position.
You say you were on this tasking for 4 months. I am guessing that even though you had to work weekends, during the tasking you had weekdays off. THAT was your comp time.
Now... if you were working M-F every week PLUS working every other weekend, or you worked 6 or 7 days a week every week, or worked 12 hour shifts 5 days a week (on shift - not counting PT, chow, etc.), or some other such craziness, then yes, addressing comp time MAY be appropriate.
But I'd bet dollars to donuts that was NOT the case, because that is a good way to burn out a Soldier and reduce effectiveness at a critical position.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
I am willing to bet he left off having weekdays off to better his argument here. I think it is human nature to tell the part of the story that supports us and leave out what does not.
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MAJ Byron Oyler - There is always 3 sides to a story: This side, That side, and the Truth.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SPC (Join to see) 6 on 2 off? 8 hour days and PT on your own? You have already been comped your time.
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So the question is did you have a duty day where you pulled on a weekend, for example or is your unit tasked with gate guard/base security? If you are pulling duty as in a unit tasking you may, according to the policy get grant time off upon approval of you command. However that can mean anything like getting out ou PT and report at 0800 or what ever time, give you an hour off before COB, etc. if you are on base security rotation/Force Protection that can very even more. Get with you Chain of Command and find out duty and incentive policies. There is nothing wrong with asking your Chain of Command questions but be tactful, be receptive, understand the bigger picture, learn and apply knowledge, and get involved in the military structure.
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I have served as gate guard for a few months before and usually on ft hood they give you the weekends off so no. You do not qualify for compensation
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It depends what gate you work at because some are open 24/7 so that situation variable matter the most on whether you have a legitimate claim or not. Long story short: if you someone work on the gates that are open and you are pulling those weekend shifts.. you might have something.. if not, I like your spirit and gumption regardless! I say “hooah” SGT (Join to see)
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This is a policy covering what the leadership deems is important. The 3 Star states, some of you on gate guard will have to work weekends so be ready for it. That's 3B. Then it states, if you works weekends, you will be given compensatory time for it. That's 4C. You "fall under" both, that is you fall under the entire policy. YOUR NCOS DON'T OUTRANK THE LTG!
They both apply equally, they are both completely valid, one doesn't trump the other, 4C is extra instructions for the case where 3B occurs. If your NCOs continue to fight you on this, have em call me, and go open door policy the signature authority and/or JAG.
I am pretty appalled by the responses here. By most of these responses, Soldiers shouldn't be given time off after 24 hrs of staff duty either? I'm pretty sure MPs and Hospital workers still are on for a typical 5 day work week, just not always M-F. Remember that many young Soldiers, typically E5 and below are often too intimidated to stand up for themselves when they are right, and too many "senior" people like to interpret crap that isn't there.
This Soldier was just taken out of his training cycle for a few months because we don't want the MPs to do their damn job, forced to work a weekend or two and stay away from his family and who knows when the next gunnery/NTC/ridiculous motorpool time will come where he misses even more time and then we'll deploy him to sit on gate guard again for 9 months, all the while telling him to "suck it up". Next thing you know he's being told it's reup time and he tells the reup NCO to go F___ himself because we treat him and his family like crap, rather than being NCOs and caring for our Soldiers, being a leader and doing what we can to keep morale up because a happy Soldier is an effective Soldier, and our success is based on being an effective Soldier.
SPC (Join to see) If you want to not worry about this, or ever doing gate guard again, go take your DLAB, get your SERE/SF physical, and drop a packet to leave FORSCOM and come to where we give a damn about you and your family - so to your SORB office on Ft Hood and find SSG Givens, he'll hook you up with a CA packet man.
They both apply equally, they are both completely valid, one doesn't trump the other, 4C is extra instructions for the case where 3B occurs. If your NCOs continue to fight you on this, have em call me, and go open door policy the signature authority and/or JAG.
I am pretty appalled by the responses here. By most of these responses, Soldiers shouldn't be given time off after 24 hrs of staff duty either? I'm pretty sure MPs and Hospital workers still are on for a typical 5 day work week, just not always M-F. Remember that many young Soldiers, typically E5 and below are often too intimidated to stand up for themselves when they are right, and too many "senior" people like to interpret crap that isn't there.
This Soldier was just taken out of his training cycle for a few months because we don't want the MPs to do their damn job, forced to work a weekend or two and stay away from his family and who knows when the next gunnery/NTC/ridiculous motorpool time will come where he misses even more time and then we'll deploy him to sit on gate guard again for 9 months, all the while telling him to "suck it up". Next thing you know he's being told it's reup time and he tells the reup NCO to go F___ himself because we treat him and his family like crap, rather than being NCOs and caring for our Soldiers, being a leader and doing what we can to keep morale up because a happy Soldier is an effective Soldier, and our success is based on being an effective Soldier.
SPC (Join to see) If you want to not worry about this, or ever doing gate guard again, go take your DLAB, get your SERE/SF physical, and drop a packet to leave FORSCOM and come to where we give a damn about you and your family - so to your SORB office on Ft Hood and find SSG Givens, he'll hook you up with a CA packet man.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
CW2 (Join to see) Soldiers shouldn't be given time off after 24 hrs of staff duty either?
-----If Staff Duty is on a Friday or Saturday, nope. Sorry. If it is on EVERY Friday or Saturday (or even once a month) sure.
If your NCOs continue to fight you on this, have em call me, and go open door policy the signature authority and/or JAG.
-----Or, maybe just go to the next step in the chain of Command, rather than jumping straight to some random NCO that no one in the CoC knows, the LTG or JAG.
This Soldier was just taken out of his training cycle for a few months because we don't want the MPs to do their damn job, forced to work a weekend or two and stay away from his family and who knows when the next gunnery/NTC/ridiculous motorpool time will come where he misses even more time and then we'll deploy him to sit on gate guard again for 9 months, all the while telling him to "suck it up".
-----This Soldier was placed on a tasker. It happens. MPs have a LOT more to do than just man the gates. When they deploy, other units need to pick up the slack.
-----He is not being told to "suck it up." He worked a 6 on 2 off schedule of 8 hour work days. Sure, he worked some weekends. When he did he was IMMEDIATELY comped weekdays to make up for it. That is actually not at all a bad schedule. Especially with the guaranteed 8 hour shifts. No "we're staying until XYZ is done." No "come in 3 hours early for a meeting before the meeting before PT." No "sorry, but this just came up." It is not "suck it up," It is "that was your schedule, and it wasn't a bad one." It is also "Comp time was built in to your schedule."
drop a packet to leave FORSCOM and come to where we give a damn about you and your family
-----This unit obviously DOES care about him and his family. That is why the comp time policy is in place. The fact that it does not apply because HE HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPED WHILE ON THE TASKING does not negate this demonstrated concern for Soldiers and their families.
Stop trying to turn this kid into a martyr.
-----If Staff Duty is on a Friday or Saturday, nope. Sorry. If it is on EVERY Friday or Saturday (or even once a month) sure.
If your NCOs continue to fight you on this, have em call me, and go open door policy the signature authority and/or JAG.
-----Or, maybe just go to the next step in the chain of Command, rather than jumping straight to some random NCO that no one in the CoC knows, the LTG or JAG.
This Soldier was just taken out of his training cycle for a few months because we don't want the MPs to do their damn job, forced to work a weekend or two and stay away from his family and who knows when the next gunnery/NTC/ridiculous motorpool time will come where he misses even more time and then we'll deploy him to sit on gate guard again for 9 months, all the while telling him to "suck it up".
-----This Soldier was placed on a tasker. It happens. MPs have a LOT more to do than just man the gates. When they deploy, other units need to pick up the slack.
-----He is not being told to "suck it up." He worked a 6 on 2 off schedule of 8 hour work days. Sure, he worked some weekends. When he did he was IMMEDIATELY comped weekdays to make up for it. That is actually not at all a bad schedule. Especially with the guaranteed 8 hour shifts. No "we're staying until XYZ is done." No "come in 3 hours early for a meeting before the meeting before PT." No "sorry, but this just came up." It is not "suck it up," It is "that was your schedule, and it wasn't a bad one." It is also "Comp time was built in to your schedule."
drop a packet to leave FORSCOM and come to where we give a damn about you and your family
-----This unit obviously DOES care about him and his family. That is why the comp time policy is in place. The fact that it does not apply because HE HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPED WHILE ON THE TASKING does not negate this demonstrated concern for Soldiers and their families.
Stop trying to turn this kid into a martyr.
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6 on 2 off is more than standard. 4 months of 5 on, 2 off, its 80 days of work minus 8 for the 4 day weekends. He essentially worked an extra day "per week", and was given the normal time off for it, there was no compensatory time, it was the normal time.
Taskings do happen, all too often, and while it is not guaranteed, we should do our best to ensure the Soldier is comped for having to change their normal schedule because we can't handle the tasking with the right MOS doing their job or CDRs being too scared to put people on extra duty. Getting comped a weekday isn't being comped, that's the schedule. Comp time is extra
You are finding phantom comp time based off the normal weekends everyone gets for their 5 days of work, rather than actual comp time for the extra duty he was conducting.
You don't give the compensatory 24 hrs for having to pull staff duty on a Friday or Sat?!? That's ridiculous. Sleeping all Saturday because we can't have an effective answering service/use a cell phone is not "time off", it is sleeping - a human function necessary to live.
Jumping CoC is a suggestion because it looks as though he is not getting much help at the lower levels. Like I said, they're probably just going to say "suck it up". So yes, use the open door policy, but at least let those channels know you are doing so, hence why I said to call me, so I can let him know.
And I'm not making him a martyr, I'm pointing out bad leadership that somehow believes this one SPC is the end all be all of the mission and doesn't deserve a few extra days to spend with his family after working MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE for 4 months.
We are Soldiers, we are expected to work extra here and there, training, taskings, details, etc..but there is no one person that is so mission critical that the unit cannot function without them for a few days. No, we don't HAVE to give him time off (well, according to this policy he is entitled to it), but as leaders we should be trying to maximize it. Nowhere does it say we have to work 9-5 either, but people are so robotic in their decisions they can't fathom letting Soldiers go home early, to add to family time. "Work was done as 1130 but let's do nothing until 1630 when 1SG says we have to clean the latrines for the 3rd time and then have 2 formations in the rain!" Yes, that happens...a lot. rather than building up some "time off" in case a tasking such as this comes, then there isn't as much need for extra time because you were ahead of the game.
It's not 1754 anymore, NCOs are paid to think.
Taskings do happen, all too often, and while it is not guaranteed, we should do our best to ensure the Soldier is comped for having to change their normal schedule because we can't handle the tasking with the right MOS doing their job or CDRs being too scared to put people on extra duty. Getting comped a weekday isn't being comped, that's the schedule. Comp time is extra
You are finding phantom comp time based off the normal weekends everyone gets for their 5 days of work, rather than actual comp time for the extra duty he was conducting.
You don't give the compensatory 24 hrs for having to pull staff duty on a Friday or Sat?!? That's ridiculous. Sleeping all Saturday because we can't have an effective answering service/use a cell phone is not "time off", it is sleeping - a human function necessary to live.
Jumping CoC is a suggestion because it looks as though he is not getting much help at the lower levels. Like I said, they're probably just going to say "suck it up". So yes, use the open door policy, but at least let those channels know you are doing so, hence why I said to call me, so I can let him know.
And I'm not making him a martyr, I'm pointing out bad leadership that somehow believes this one SPC is the end all be all of the mission and doesn't deserve a few extra days to spend with his family after working MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE for 4 months.
We are Soldiers, we are expected to work extra here and there, training, taskings, details, etc..but there is no one person that is so mission critical that the unit cannot function without them for a few days. No, we don't HAVE to give him time off (well, according to this policy he is entitled to it), but as leaders we should be trying to maximize it. Nowhere does it say we have to work 9-5 either, but people are so robotic in their decisions they can't fathom letting Soldiers go home early, to add to family time. "Work was done as 1130 but let's do nothing until 1630 when 1SG says we have to clean the latrines for the 3rd time and then have 2 formations in the rain!" Yes, that happens...a lot. rather than building up some "time off" in case a tasking such as this comes, then there isn't as much need for extra time because you were ahead of the game.
It's not 1754 anymore, NCOs are paid to think.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
CW2 (Join to see) - OK... 4 months, that's 121 days (Assuming DEC-MAR because he posted a DEC roster. 122 days if SEP-DEC). 17 weeks and change. To be generous, assume both of the extra days were weekend days. 17x5 is 85 duty days. Subtract 2 for Christmas / Christmas Eve, 2 for New Years, New Years Eve, one for President's day. That is 80 days of duty. Now, add an average of of half an hour a day of inevitable "come in earlies" and "stay at work lates." .5x85 duty days is 42.5 hours - a little over 5 days. Now add two days for weekend Staff Duty or CQ. We are back up to 87 days. 121 says is a hair over 15 8-day cycles. To be equally generous, assume that extra one day was a "weekend." 15x6 is 90. He worked MAYBE 3 extra days over the course of four months. Additionally, he had a VERY defined schedule which allowed him actually plan his free time better, and while he had slightly less time with his family, the ability to plan gave him the ability to make it more PRODUCTIVE time. Some of his free time was on weekdays, which made it much easier to take care of other business, as well. Things like being able to schedule appointments for children AND BE PRESENT! for them; things like calling businesses, and going to see them in person, when necessary; things like going to school programs, all of which a M-F schedule precludes.
And yes, he was comped time. The schedule built comp time in. Anytime he worked a weekend day, he was granted a weekday off in the week that immediately followed. Anytime he worked both weekend days, he was immediately given two weekdays off in the following week. That is immediate compensation. To think otherwise would be the same as saying that if I work M-F schedule, anytime I work a whole week, I should have the next Monday off, because those weekend days don't count as time off! That is just the schedule!
I would take that 6 on/2 off, guaranteed 8 hour day over my typical work week in the Army at any chance I had. And don't even get me started on deployments. 15 months of 7 on/0 off 12 hour days (if I was lucky) comped by a single 4 day weekend. Yes - the deployment was part of the job. So is gate guard.
And yes, he was comped time. The schedule built comp time in. Anytime he worked a weekend day, he was granted a weekday off in the week that immediately followed. Anytime he worked both weekend days, he was immediately given two weekdays off in the following week. That is immediate compensation. To think otherwise would be the same as saying that if I work M-F schedule, anytime I work a whole week, I should have the next Monday off, because those weekend days don't count as time off! That is just the schedule!
I would take that 6 on/2 off, guaranteed 8 hour day over my typical work week in the Army at any chance I had. And don't even get me started on deployments. 15 months of 7 on/0 off 12 hour days (if I was lucky) comped by a single 4 day weekend. Yes - the deployment was part of the job. So is gate guard.
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Before I even answer with whether you are entitled to compensation...I want to ask:
During your 4 months on Gate Guard, what was your work schedule like? Monday-Fri? 3 Days on/4 Days off? 4 Days on/3 Days off?
During your 4 months on Gate Guard, what was your work schedule like? Monday-Fri? 3 Days on/4 Days off? 4 Days on/3 Days off?
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Then I would venture to say that per the policy you had shown, that NO you are not entitled to compensation because of the following reasons:
1: It was a tasker to where you were placed under ADCON and OPCON (administrative and operational control) of whomever it was that operates the security of the gates. This did not fall within your normal scope of duties as this became your sole duty for 4 months. Had you worked your normal job and THEN reported to Gate Guard....I can see that as a justifiable reason to possibly grant compensation. This is my speculation as you did not mention anything that you worked your regular job and then reported to Gate Guard.
2: Now, taking into account the hours you worked, the hours for PRT, and the days you worked....NO you are not entitled to compensation. Let us take a look. You wake up and do PRT from 0630 to 0730 and then NOTHING until 1400. That is 6.5 hours of no work before reporting for duty for an 10 hour shift. Of the 192 hours in that 8 day period...you were occupied for work and PRT for a total of 66 hours leaving 126 hours remaining in that 8 day period that were yours to do as you please.
Now, using the word "entitled" is pretty much placing a target on your chest especially in the manner in which you used it. I would suggest structuring your question differently. Also, if your Commander and NCOs deem you have deserved some extra time off then so be it as it would be on them. But, based on what you have told me, my answer would be a NO. You worked your scheduled hours. You were given ample time off between shifts. Again, this is merely my opinion based on the information given to me by you.
1: It was a tasker to where you were placed under ADCON and OPCON (administrative and operational control) of whomever it was that operates the security of the gates. This did not fall within your normal scope of duties as this became your sole duty for 4 months. Had you worked your normal job and THEN reported to Gate Guard....I can see that as a justifiable reason to possibly grant compensation. This is my speculation as you did not mention anything that you worked your regular job and then reported to Gate Guard.
2: Now, taking into account the hours you worked, the hours for PRT, and the days you worked....NO you are not entitled to compensation. Let us take a look. You wake up and do PRT from 0630 to 0730 and then NOTHING until 1400. That is 6.5 hours of no work before reporting for duty for an 10 hour shift. Of the 192 hours in that 8 day period...you were occupied for work and PRT for a total of 66 hours leaving 126 hours remaining in that 8 day period that were yours to do as you please.
Now, using the word "entitled" is pretty much placing a target on your chest especially in the manner in which you used it. I would suggest structuring your question differently. Also, if your Commander and NCOs deem you have deserved some extra time off then so be it as it would be on them. But, based on what you have told me, my answer would be a NO. You worked your scheduled hours. You were given ample time off between shifts. Again, this is merely my opinion based on the information given to me by you.
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A couple of points leap out at me:
1) No soldier is entitled to anything not spelled out in some U.S. Code section.
2) As to whether the CG's policy authorizes comp time, remember that "appropriate" is a big word subject to interpretation.
But that is just the opinion of an old-school soldier who also finds the "Phantom Time" policy troubling.
1) No soldier is entitled to anything not spelled out in some U.S. Code section.
2) As to whether the CG's policy authorizes comp time, remember that "appropriate" is a big word subject to interpretation.
But that is just the opinion of an old-school soldier who also finds the "Phantom Time" policy troubling.
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1LT William Clardy
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Para. 3.a.
Phantom Time. Units may observe Phantom Time on Friday each week. On Fridays, the duty day may end as early as 1500. Installation services, however, will continue after 1500 so that Soldiers may access them.
Para. 3.a.
Phantom Time. Units may observe Phantom Time on Friday each week. On Fridays, the duty day may end as early as 1500. Installation services, however, will continue after 1500 so that Soldiers may access them.
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1LT William Clardy - ha, I read the memo. I’m simply asking, “what on earth is phantom time”. Is like a pretend notion that someone made up to get a bullet point on an OER.
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1LT William Clardy
SGT (Join to see), you don't know how tempted I was to offer my own, highly simplified (and slightly jaundiced) definition:
Hours during the duty day when the unit becomes a Phantom Unit.
Hours during the duty day when the unit becomes a Phantom Unit.
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Respectfully, as you’ve described and as the letter states, it would seem clear that you fall under 3B. You were assigned to a tasking that had a mission requirement of working during certain times. Gate guard is a mission essential, no-fail tasking. Good luck, but if you choose this fight, it’s not likely one you’ll win. (It seems the memo is to help soldiers who are working extra hours on their normal off time. While your tasking had you working some lousy days/hours, you still had normal off time).
That said, compensation time? Phantom time Fridays? Until now, these are terms that weren’t in my Army vocabulary. But even then, whoever wrote the memo gave the Army an ‘out’ by the way paragraph 4C is worded. “...will grant appropriate time...should be applied as soon as possible..” Right on. So if the Commander wants to play hardball he/she can determine that the appropriate comp time is 1 hour. Soonest time possible? Next year.
Best of luck
That said, compensation time? Phantom time Fridays? Until now, these are terms that weren’t in my Army vocabulary. But even then, whoever wrote the memo gave the Army an ‘out’ by the way paragraph 4C is worded. “...will grant appropriate time...should be applied as soon as possible..” Right on. So if the Commander wants to play hardball he/she can determine that the appropriate comp time is 1 hour. Soonest time possible? Next year.
Best of luck
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