Posted on Feb 18, 2014
LTC Martin Metz
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<p><b>I saw this sort of hardship on junior soldiers early in my career. Now it appears the pendulum is swinging back towards this happening again. The fact that any of our younger soldiers should have to use or even qualify for this is humiliating and a national shame. Quote from attached article: "Pentagon officials told CNN that while the military does not track who is receiving assistance, the military members likely to be on food stamps are those at the bottom of the ranks with children, where base pay <font face="Times New Roman">— not including housing or food — for a new soldier with a spouse and child is about $20,000. With housing and food allowances, an Army private with two years experience would make about $40,000." </font></b><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/food-stamp-use-among-troops-skyrockets-during-obama-admin/"><b><font color="#000080" face="Times New Roman"><u>http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/food-stamp-use-among-troops-skyrockets-during-obama-admin/</u></font></b></a></p><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Commissary-e [login to see] 10.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/food-stamp-use-among-troops-skyrockets-during-obama-admin/" target="_blank">Food stamp use among troops skyrockets during Obama admin</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Food stamp redemption at military grocery stores, or commissaries, has nearly doubled since the beginning of the </div></div><div style="clear: both;"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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LTC Jason Bartlett
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want vs need, you may want it but do you need it? If you have a $400 car payment maybe you should rethink your priorities.  I made around $500 after taxes back in the day and somehow figured out how to make it work without assistance. 
http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/militarypaytables.html

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CPT Catherine R.
CPT Catherine R.
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Sir,


Thanks, that link was very interesting.  When I had my son in 2000, I was for all intents and purposes a single parent (husband was at a different duty location and we had separate accounts).  My base pay was less than $1,300 and I can't imagine my BAH was much more in Texas.  I survived just fine after paying my rent, car payment, insurance and daycare bills.  In fact, I had a decent savings account too.  We never used assistance and I hope I never have too. 


For most of our marriage my spouse and I have both worked.  We could live off one of either one of our paychecks just fine, it's all about living within our means.

Edited to add:  I just looked, my BAH as an E3 in Texas in 2000 was $450 per month.  So I made a grand total of $1750.00 ($21,000 per year) BEFORE taxes! 

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$40,000 is more than I make in a year with both my Army Reserve and Civilian salary combined. Somehow, I still managed to get married, keep a car, buy my wife a car, and have some savings for a house in the near future, all while paying for our bachelor degrees, and sending my wife to get her masters degree. I also live in an area that is not cheap.

My Point:
I think the focus needs to be more on the Soldier's drive, and his ability to manage his money and time. The Army has some amazing programs and counselors that can help them do this...all it takes is a leader that is willing to show them.
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Edited 10 y ago
If you cannot make $40K work, you're spending too much of your money on ish that's not necessary.

Edit - and that doesn't mean continue to pop out more babies when you're an E-nothing. Wanting and having a family is one thing. Having a sports team is completely another.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I fail to see how this is a leadership failure. None of us set the pay scales or decided that take home pay should be so low for enlisted folk.
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MSgt Stephan Hall
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The cost of living has increased over the last six years significantly. While its commendable to be concerned for our junior military, realizing the bigger picture is optimum to spreading the right message. As a family of many, my wife and I closely monitor how we live, when you can actually pinpoint doing the same things day in and day out and your grocery bill continues to climb at remarkable rate, you wonder when it will stop, as a Leader of Marines, you can't help but wonder how the a Junior enlisted survive in an economy that is out pacing their pay. Maybe a military structured discount at the commissaries is something we should as Leaders lobby for to help defray the high cost of living.
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PO2 Tony Casler
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I have to question the wisdom of anyone who marries during their first enlistment. Adjusting to adulthood, military life and married life all in a short span of time and on a thin budget are a recipe for disaster, and the divorce rate I saw among junior sailors reflected that. It doesn't help that military culture pushes marriage as a way out of barracks life (never understood that one, my time in the barracks was a blast), a way to get "extra" pay (ignoring all the extra expenses to follow) and for men as proof of one's manhood. In my more cynical moments I have wondered if it is a sneaky retention tool, making junior servicemembers feel obligated to marry, live life on the ragged financial edge and amass a debt that can be conveniently paid off with a reenlistment bonus, only to repeat the cycle over the next four years.
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I made this comment previously in response to someone else's statement, but I feel it must be said to anyone/everyone listening because many shared his viewpoint...while I may agree with some of the comments in regards to how a "select" group of Soldiers are not budgeting their finances correctly, I have to disagree that "the Army does pay pretty decently".  Everyone needs to stop comparing base pay and entitlements we receive with ANY other job in the world because there is NO comparison. There is no other job in the world that requires you to be on call 24/7/365 with the possibility of DEATH. I serve my country proudly and I volunteered to do so and I did not do it for the money. But do not trivialize our sacrifices by stating that our lives are worth the meager amount of money and benefits given. No amount of money or benefits can help ease the suffering of the thousands of children who will grow up without a father of mother because they died defending our country. The spouse who has lost their partner in life, their best friend and who must now pick up the pieces of their shattered life. Please, go tell them that their loved one was compensated "pretty decent" for the work they did. I'm not trying to club you over the head, but this mindset must change for everyone. Congress can keep serving me cr@p and tell me it's chocolate pudding, but I know better. And our military personnel deserve better. We can never be compensated enough for what we do, the facilities can never be good enough for what we do. Our country asked us to lay down our lives for their protection and that is what we have volunteered to do. The least it can do in return is treat us as good as it treats itself. And you only have to look at how well Congress and the entire federal bureaucracy is compensated to understand how well I believe that we should be compensated.   
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Sir,

 

I feel that in a lot of these cases, the individuals who recieve this additional funding from the government do so because they cannot properly manage their money and instead of addressing the issue they abuse the system. Based on personal experience, I feel that the military pay could be a bit higher considering the things that we are ordered to do within our ranks, but at the same time I feel that the pay is not so low that a person would need government assistance. If we, as leaders, would take a closer look into our soldiers finances, we could identify the problem sooner, preventing them from having to need further assistance.

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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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SSG - Here here. Let's hear it for a little personal responsibility, or as I like to say: PRIDE Personal Responsibility In Daily Events
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A lot of opinions on this one, some surprising, some expected...LTC Metz, to directly answer your question, No. We as leaders are not failing when our junior folks are forced into using food stamps. That is because no one is forced into using them. It's a choice people make based on their individual situation. Some are from poor choices, some because of unfortunate circumstance, some from misguided information and others out of pure greed. There is no blanket answer to this discussion, as you peel back the layers it becomes a clouded issue. The closest blanket answer is the Congress is failing to provide adequate pay & allowances so that Soldiers do NOT qualify for these types of programs. I'm not advocating that the gov't go out and tweak the formula for determining what is considered pay, I'm saying increase the actual amount of money in our Soldier's paycheck (base pay) so they no longer qualify for food stamps. Stop looking for reasons to disqualify them (oh they receive BAH, BAS, free medical, etc...) Stop comparing what we earn to our "civilian counterparts" because those counterparts DO NOT EXIST!! No other job in the world has you on call 24/7/365 with the added possibility of DEATH! We can NEVER compensate our Soldiers enough and I'm disgusted by those that believe we are.

 

I apologize if my rant has offended anyone, but this is and always will be a touchy subject for me (both personally and professionally).

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LTC Martin Metz
LTC Martin Metz
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SSG(P) B: No apology needed. I like the sentiments and appreciate the NCO angle. It appears congratulations are due for your "soon to be" promotion to SFC.
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SPC Dan Goforth
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There are areas where soldiers absolutely do not need any assistance to provide for their families.  But, there are higher cost of living areas where that assistance is needed.  Most higher cost of living areas do have COLA, but some do not, because the entire county doesn't have a higher cost of living, just the city where the duty station is located.  And, PX/Commissary prices are tied to the local prices, by law.  There are two possible fixes for the problem.

And no, it's not a leadership problem within the operational military.
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