Posted on Dec 23, 2014
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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I often wondered what that meant. It is on my dog tags - only because disciple wasn't an option. Seems to me that there are Christians on both sides of every issue - doesn't matter if it's politics, religion, government, bar fights, etc - in 2008, the census said 76% of the country was "Christian" - too bad that doesn't equate to disciple. I think Christian can mean anything you want it to mean, but if we are serious about saying "I'm a Christian", then we should define exactly what that means. If it means the same as disciple, I'm in - anything else, and I don't want to be a "Christian". If you want to know what a disciple is, it's VERY well defined - "Christian" is not - it's only used a few times in the bible and often to describe a group of people in a derogatory way.
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SGT Mark Sullivan
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I'm not sure what I am, I was raised Catholic, I lived for over 20 years in the land of Billy Graham and CBN, But I identify more with Thomas Jefferson and being a Deist
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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Interesting - I always wondered what a true "Deist" thought about the deity they believe in? Is the creator good? or bad? or is there more than one? Things like that.... Does that belief you have about a creator stem back to the fact you were raised a Catholic?
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SPC Stewart Smith
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Why are there only two options in this poll?
Can you add
- Different Religion
- Anti-Theist
- Atheist

Also, the 'christian' term is far too vague. There are more than 35,000 different sects of christianity.
That means there are more than 35,000 different views of what a christian is.

To me, a true christian follows the bible as if it were the perfect word of a god. And in that sense, there are no true christians left on this planet.
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SPC Stewart Smith
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MSgt David Hoffman - It's not that I'm saying people who truly believe in god don't exist. What I'm saying is that I have never met any, nor do I know of any.
If you believe the bible is the infallible word of god, then you believe the earth is set on four pillars in space, that non virgin women should be stoned to death on their fathers doorstep, that you cannot shave the hair on the sides of your face, that you can't eat shellfish, that you can't wear mixed fabric clothing, and that you must kill unbelievers for jesus.
I don't think you truly believe those aspects of the bible. And not believing those parts, to me, means you think the bible is fallible and therefor cannot be the perfect word of god. This also means you can't be a christian, in the biblical sense. But todays christians are more along the lines of only preaching the pretty stuff of the bible and they completely ignore the wicked commandments or flat out deny they exist. Spoiler Alert for anyone who hasn't read the bible cover to cover, those evil commandments exist and I hope you don't truly believe you should tie a millstone around a childs neck and drown him in a river rather than let him hear another religion.
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SPC Stewart Smith
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MSgt David Hoffman - huh? I have read the bible cover to cover. I just don't believe it to be factual as there is no evidence to support it's claims.
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SPC Stewart Smith
SPC Stewart Smith
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MSgt David Hoffman - Why? You only find common ground with people that believe two people were tricked into gaining critical thought by a talking snake then went on to populate the entire planet? Then most were wiped out by a flood that covered the entire planet and then those few remaining populated the planet again? Then they had to follow commandments like 'kill non virgin women on their fathers door steps', 'drown children in rivers so they can't hear false preaching', 'massacre entire villages because they don't believe in the same god', or 'killing people in front of jesus because they don't want to be his slave'?
If you truly believe those to be factual, along with the hundreds of other evil commandments in the bible then I don't want to find common ground with you. I want you to seek therapy and medicine to curb those homicidal thoughts.

If you're like most other 'christians' and just read and follow the 'nice' parts of the bible then that's ok with me. But you have to know that you don't actually believe in the god of the bible, you just made up your own personal belief system and follow that.
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SPC Stewart Smith
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Nowhere in acts does it say gentiles only need to follow those 4 commandments. Nowhere. In fact it says that moses law was already taught throughout the land and then later on, in romans, it confirms this by saying gentiles don't have the law, but they still follow it. It must also be taken into consideration this was spoken by paul, not jesus. And what jesus said was
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
The only person doing any cherry picking is you. And you have not answered the question. Something about bringing up the evil that god commands brings out an inner 'christians' cowardice and they refuse to respond. When pressed they say something like 'how could we ever know the mind of god'. So I'll ask again, but slightly different.

Do you think that the hundreds of evil biblical commandments were gods word?
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SSgt Geospatial Intelligence
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To be honest, I struggled w/ the identity of my faith. I entered service as a protestant, but found myself drifting away. During my service I explored all sorts of different faiths if they seemed spiritually attractive to me...but nothing was.

I am now a member of the Catholic church & a proud member of the Knights of Columbus. I have found more spiritually this way. I have even been able to get the official youth group of the KofC started here in my hometown.
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1SG David Niles
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To my lay definition a Christian is someone who is a follower of Christ/a disciple. But I am trying to be an apostle.
My dog tags said catholic, but when I retired they put me down on my records as unknown for some darn reason
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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I wish more people would stop and think about your definition before calling themselves a "Christian" - The New Commandment of Jesus to "love one another" is part of the final instructions given to his disciples after the Last Supper had "ended", and after Judas Iscariot had departed in John 13:30 - I just don't see this in 76% (or more) of our country! I'm not trying to be cynical, but it think if we did get this right, we'd have a lot fewer problems!
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1SG David Niles
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A Christian is not a Saint, we are still trying.
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SPC James Mcneil
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I am. I don't trumpet it like some do, but I am. I believe that while what I hold dear is very important to me, not everyone agrees with me, and for that reason I should respect other people's beliefs. I am asked from time to time what I believe about ____ and I answer, but I don't push my opinion on other people. I know enough to realize that won't work.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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Evidently, someone, at one time or another in your life, "pushed" their opinion on you for you to have learned enough to decide to call yourself a "Christian" - aren't you glad they did that? :-) There are many, many people who just don't know - and would like to know, but sometimes are afraid to ask - so they don't. I was like that. However, I did meet someone who pushed me a little bit and I discovered what was missing only because he did it with love. I think if it's done with love and understanding, it can be a good thing!
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SPC James Mcneil
SPC James Mcneil
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To me there's a huge difference between sharing my belief and pushing my belief. I share my belief. I do not push it.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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If I could relate this to leadership, I'd say there are different responses for different people and a good leader will know which one to use. For some people, the only option that will work is a "push" - but again, if you can preface it with the "this is for your own good and because I love you" approach (just like your mama did it) :-) then you just might have the chance to teach - and you might be their only chance to learn the good news.
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SPC James Mcneil
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I can respect that.
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
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Not as many options in that list as there should be to include other interested parties.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
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Feel free to add your own in your comment - no problem... :-)
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Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce
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During my triage session at the VA clinic the social worker asked if I was religious or spiritual based on some of my answers. I determined my best answer is that I'm born again. Not perfect but forgiven. Also she wanted to know what denomination, I said southern Baptist.
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A true "Christian" is literally a "Christ-ian", that is a "follower of Christ", or a "little Christ". If you are not truly and honestly seeking to humbly and genuinely follow Christ in the context of the Scriptures in God's Word, then you cannot truly claim to be a "Christian".

For example, not to pick on anyone, Mormons are often lumped into this category. But, since they follow Joseph Smith, and not Jesus, they can't legitimately be called "Christians".
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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Where is your other option???
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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As I mentioned in a previous comment, somehow I hit the "enter" button (causing the post to be published) before finishing the "options" and I am not able to go back and edit them - I can edit the text, but not the options.
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