Posted on Jun 15, 2015
Army Commander requires troops to wear ACUs with no badges/combat patches?
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What is RP"s thoughts on this "extreme makeover" Army edition?
http://m.gazette.com/fort-carson-colonel-makes-uniform-adjustment-during-training/article/1553718?custom_click=rss
http://m.gazette.com/fort-carson-colonel-makes-uniform-adjustment-during-training/article/1553718?custom_click=rss
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Interesting idea, next they should remove rank symbols and see who emerges as the final leader after being tasked as in Ranger or SF selection.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Honestly, I remember a time when we didn't wear rank in the field because everyone knew everyone else, especially the leadership in your immediate chain. The age disparity between junior enlisted and SNCO & Staff Officer was so pronounced there was just no excuse not to be able to identify "the powers that be."
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CSM Charles Hayden
Cpl Joe Hood Right now I am wearing a cap w/ a Red Chinese star my son bought home from his trip to China! 3/9/16
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Based on my reading of AR 670-1 the action taken by the commander was not authorized:
paragragh 2-6:
"f. Commanders will not require individuals to purchase optional uniform items. Likewise, they will not restrict or discourage them from wearing optional uniform items authorized by this regulation, except in those instances where uniformity is required, such as parades or formations."
paragragh 2-6:
"f. Commanders will not require individuals to purchase optional uniform items. Likewise, they will not restrict or discourage them from wearing optional uniform items authorized by this regulation, except in those instances where uniformity is required, such as parades or formations."
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1SG (Join to see)
Chief, you are absolutely correct.
However, at the Field Grade level and above you have to pick your battles. Someone will win this battle, but lose the war. It's an unfortunate reality of the power of command. I was left off of the E-7 promotion list while deployed for not having the final phase of ALC. When my 1SG ran up the chain the ALARACT that stated that NCOES is waived for E-7 & E-8 promotions for up to two years after deployment, the State CSM said that "the regulation is all well and good, but if you didn't complete ALC prior to deployment you're not getting promoted on MY promotion list." I could have fought through the IG and maybe gotten on the list (I had 100 points on the guy that got promoted first), but they would have found a way to not promote off the 31B list for a year and I would most certainly would have been blackballed on assignments. Today, I am months away from catching up to my peer that got promoted over me and am happy to be in a position to help other Soldiers to get what they have earned without the bumps and bruises I did.
Commanders (and good idea fairies) come and commanders go, it's up to the rest of us to provide continuity to the Force and keep everyone focused on what's important: the mission & Soldier care.
However, at the Field Grade level and above you have to pick your battles. Someone will win this battle, but lose the war. It's an unfortunate reality of the power of command. I was left off of the E-7 promotion list while deployed for not having the final phase of ALC. When my 1SG ran up the chain the ALARACT that stated that NCOES is waived for E-7 & E-8 promotions for up to two years after deployment, the State CSM said that "the regulation is all well and good, but if you didn't complete ALC prior to deployment you're not getting promoted on MY promotion list." I could have fought through the IG and maybe gotten on the list (I had 100 points on the guy that got promoted first), but they would have found a way to not promote off the 31B list for a year and I would most certainly would have been blackballed on assignments. Today, I am months away from catching up to my peer that got promoted over me and am happy to be in a position to help other Soldiers to get what they have earned without the bumps and bruises I did.
Commanders (and good idea fairies) come and commanders go, it's up to the rest of us to provide continuity to the Force and keep everyone focused on what's important: the mission & Soldier care.
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SFC Kevin Childers
To quote a highly decorated and respected SF CSM I served under. "I'll stop wearing it when you can peel it off my cold dead body." Responding to a non-airborne LTC's order that all the SF and airborne qualified and billeted personnel in a mixed unit should stop wearing their berets revert to ball caps.
The troop response was to wear their ball caps in formations and once dismissed to drop said ball caps to the ground and put a boot on them, just so they didn't blow away, while they donned their berets. The order was rescinded in under 24 hours.
The troop response was to wear their ball caps in formations and once dismissed to drop said ball caps to the ground and put a boot on them, just so they didn't blow away, while they donned their berets. The order was rescinded in under 24 hours.
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Its the Commanders discretion. Why are we sensationalizing this? An order was given, the mission was given.
Was it illegal - no!
Was is immoral - no!
Was it unethical - no!
So, why all the dang fuss? Move out and follow your orders! I got it, I had some intense deployments as well and lost many friends and comrades, I have a choice, follow orders or change professions.
Was it illegal - no!
Was is immoral - no!
Was it unethical - no!
So, why all the dang fuss? Move out and follow your orders! I got it, I had some intense deployments as well and lost many friends and comrades, I have a choice, follow orders or change professions.
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SSG Ronald Rollins
Bull crap. The commander is probably mad that soldiers got more than he has. Or had a bleeding heart for the new kids who had nothing on their uniforms. I earned what I have. Why cant I wear what I have earned? In my opinion the commader and NCOs who enforced this silly and stupid rule should be relieved. It is authorized for wear and covered under AR 670-1. Just use the regulation on them as they use it against you. That is one of the reasons i retired. Stupid crap like this to make people feel better about themself when they want what they did not earn.
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SGT Randall Smith
I did not have many ribbons or awards that everyone did not have. But those i did have I earned and was proud of them. Had I stayed in the Army I would have worn them on my uniforms. Let the newbies wonder about them and feel bad because their uniforms were bare. It is like my Sgt. stripes. I was proud of them and worked my butt off to earn them. If you were in 2 years and were still a PFC E-3 then you were a slacker and had no pride in what you did.
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