Posted on Sep 30, 2015
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SSG Warren Swan
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Can common sense ever prevail in the military? Do we really have to have a regulation outlining breaks on breastfeeding? I'm thinkin too hard.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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SSG Warren Swan Scale. It's always about scale. The Army is HUGE. Massively huge. When you include reserves & NG, it's about 4-5 times the size of the USMC, and double the size of the other services. Think about that.

The USMC doesn't require a whole lot of rules (regs) because we're not large, and not wide spread, hence most Marines' humorous contempt (hence my joke on your initial response) of the Army's need to have a reg for "everything." We just don't get it. "Common sense" (limited regulation) works for us, because we're small.

But when you scale up... individual unit policies start to clash more and more. "that's not how we did it at X" becomes WAY more prominent. Remember, we only have 3 MEFs (3 Infantry Divisions, 3 Air Wings, 3 Support Groups, over a total of 14~ bases, really 3 locations). Compare that to the Army... Infinitely more complex. We can't do "NCO business" and "unit policy" when it comes to actual medical concepts. It has to be deconflicted.
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SSG Warren Swan
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - You have a hard on for logic bombs don't you? You're right on with this one.
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SSG Warren Swan - There are too many NCOs and Officers who wouldn't support the needs of breastfeeding women without a reg in place.
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SSG Warren Swan
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir you're right, but it just seems SO unessicary. For privacy and sanitary reasons hells yeah reg the hell out of it. But on the breaks, it just seems so much like a simple 4856 with follow through. But for those that cannot support it, maybe they might be in need of an attitude adjustment being even with the reg, they're going to try and interpret it to suit their wants and needs.
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The reason a policy has to exist is because Soldiers are not receiving the support they need to ensure they are able to maintain their milk supply and provide the best nutrition for their child. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends breastmilk until 12 months of age. If leaders are not aware of the needs of these new Moms, and these Moms are not able to pump as often as they need to in order to maintain their supply one of two things will happen - 1. They will suffer from mastitis and blocked ducts because they are unable to pump and/or 2. Their supply will decrease, which will prevent them from continuing to breastfeed. This is not to say that those Moms who formula feed aren't providing for their children as well. Any Mom who is ensuring that her child's nutritional needs are met is doing a phenomenal job. Not all women are able to breastfeed, and I understand and empathize with that.

The most common cause of early cessation of breastfeeding is lack of employer support. I don't think that it is a lack of caring on the part of leadership, but more so of lack of knowledge and education. This policy is going to create dialogue between the medical and leadership lanes to make sure this happens. Moms who breastfeed are less likely to suffer from post-partum depression, diabetes, hypertension and other cardiac disease, lowers risk of various cancers, and assists with weight loss and return to pre-baby weight in addition to the health benefits to the child. Children who are breastfed (or receive pumped breastmilk) are less likely to have sick-baby visits, which means that the parents are staying home less with a sick child - this translates to more productive parents because they are not on quarters to care of an ill child.

I have had Soldiers who have been so dedicated to continuing to breastfeed that they have pumped in their cars. I personally have pumped in my car, in my office, in a phone booth at the Denver Airport USO, and an A/V Room at Fort Rucker. This policy ensures that women don't have to skulk into a corner or a dirty restroom to be able to continue to pump. This has almost zero mission impact - the 20 or so minutes it would take to pump is nothing compared to the number of Soldiers who take smoke breaks every day. If you feel it is going to decrease productivity, you had better start weaning your other Soldiers off the nicotine because they take more time than a pumping Mom will. Soldiers typically pump before PT, after PT during personal hygeine time, during lunch, and again in the afternoon (roughly every 3 hours). That means that the only time they are using to pump that is not already a designated break or personal time is once in the afternoon.

TL:DR Version: This is a good thing. Leaders should make every effort to support this and support their new Moms.
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Long overdue. Not sure why it took so long to make the policy. Worth noting though, most were being given the opportunity to pump/breastfeed without issue regardless of the policy.
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Sir, it would appear that someone somewhere had issues with not being allowed.
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Army releases servicewide breastfeeding policy, what are your thoughts on this new policy?
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Funny you should ask this, just received my new BN CDR's policy memo's and he wrote a policy memo for breastfeeding.
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Everywhere else in the civilized world has a policy on it, it would seem fit that the Armed Forces do the same.
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Good. Glad these new moms now have a policy that will work for them.
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SSG Operations Sergeant
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When the policy says that they must be provided an area in which to breastfeed that is not a latrine, must have electricity and running water then it sounds to me like it is speaking about the workplace since obviously the home where the mother and child live would already have those things.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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SSG (Join to see) MSG (Join to see) This is sort of an "old issue" which dates back to old infrastructure days. Think back to when we had all these old buildings and all the offices would be dedicated. Sometimes the only room that would be available would be a "broom closet" which would only meet a couple of the requirements listed. It would have water, but no electricity. It would have water and electricity, but no place to sit. It would have all three, but it would be a latrine. Make sense?

This was 10~ years ago (my son was born in 2000, wife was a Marine as well), and the idea of her breast feeding just wasn't feasible after she returned to duty. Today, the infrastructure supports, but administration never really caught up. We just had old "common sense" unwritten policies in place. We knew how to handle it (sort of), but it depending on command, it could be really inconvenient for a new mother. So like everything else, a policy needed to be written. For the most part everyone else took their OLD (like 1995~) policy, and just put on paper and were done. The Army drug their feet. That's all this is.
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SSG Gene Carroll SR.
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I don't know what your problems are, but it sounds like to me you need help, or you bucking for a section 8, or do you know what it is. You need help.
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SSG (Join to see) - this policy is specific to moms who are breastfeeding and pump during the duty day. The reason they need a clean room vs a bathroom is because bathrooms are nasty and dirty and I wouldn't want my breast milk contaminated. The reason they need electricity is because some pumps require that vs battery operated. No one is turning the motor pool into a daycare - don't worry.
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Cpl Clinton Britt
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I don't really care either way. There isn't anything wrong with it. As long as it is done in taste
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SSG Gene Carroll SR.
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It's no more right to give that time of privacy to a mother and her child. The services are dragging women veterans thur disgrace for nothing but male. (man hood) But in alot of cases I' rather have a women beside me in a combat situation then some call men. I am tired seeing women brought up in every situation that pops up about the military service.
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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SSG Gene Carroll SR. , so why the down vote? Nothing I wrote was derogatory. Just curious, it is your progative, but it is also customary to explain why you down vote someone (thing). Semper Fidelis.
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Do they mean a pumping room or bring your kids to lunch?
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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SSG Gene Carroll SR. , Not sure where you going with this, but I am very human. Married to an active duty Navy spouse and she had one son while we both on active duty and another after she got out. I think you are barking up the wrong tree, I asked a simple question. It is hard to decipher your writing, so I may be misinterpreting what seems to be a personal attack against me. But whatever. Have a great day and as always, Semper Fidelis.
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SSG Gene Carroll SR.
SSG Gene Carroll SR.
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Read on I am telling you women have rights too, just a man having cigarette breaks that he was entitled to. You have a wife and children you should know some things are private.
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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SSG Gene Carroll SR. - OK you win. I have no clue what you're talking about. I never stated anything about women's rights, men smoking cigarettes or privacy I have no clue where you're coming from and at this point no longer really care. Have a great night. I truly wish you the best in any of your future endeavors. Semper Fidelis.
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SSG Gene Carroll SR.
SSG Gene Carroll SR.
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You know I don't care what you think so please don't write me any more. I don't know way you feel the way you do dose not make sense to me. So I'm glad to say good by to you.
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Like everything in the army. There has to be a policy stating SOP or people will run amuck with it.
The only thing I'd add is that of a placard that can be hung out front the area that the SM is breastfeeding/pumping. To notify those outside not to disturb the mother or unnessarily knock.
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