Posted on Jul 26, 2017
As a civilian who owns military issued pants (both Army and USMC), would I be able to wear them with boots or is it unauthorized?
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As a civilian - never enlisted before - I have a pair of OCP Army Issued and MCCUU Desert Digital, if I buy combat boots, would I be able to wear the pants only with it tucked in, or is it considered stolen valor still as me being a civilian or no?
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Mr. Anderson,
It's not stolen valor for a civilian to wear OCP/MCCUU pants with combat boots. Plenty of construction workers do this. Airsoft and Paintballers do this too. Just don't try to portray yourself as, or claim something that you are not. You'll be fine.
It's not stolen valor for a civilian to wear OCP/MCCUU pants with combat boots. Plenty of construction workers do this. Airsoft and Paintballers do this too. Just don't try to portray yourself as, or claim something that you are not. You'll be fine.
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I actually think it's pretty cool that a civilian wants to wear OCP pants. Now, if he decides to tell tales of his fabled military service, well that's another story.
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Not a big deal. If you ever get a matching top, just make sure there are no patches, rank, insignia, or badges. Without that, it ceases to be a uniform and is just camouflage clothing. (although you may be perceived as a wannabe by some veterans if you are just wearing it to look cool with no real purpose). But no stolen valor.
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wear what ever you want, just be truthful if someone asks, no one will say anything if you wear boots and pants, or even a boony cap with them. the main thing about stolen valor is those passing themselves off as something they are not, or earned.
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You can wear them, just be aware of where you do so and don't try to be someone that you aren't.
Wear it around a military installation, and you are likely going to be approached. Have a plan to be respectful (even if they aren't) and explain why you wear them, and you'll be fine.
Wear it around a military installation, and you are likely going to be approached. Have a plan to be respectful (even if they aren't) and explain why you wear them, and you'll be fine.
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You want to walk around wearing them, by all means wear them. It's certainly your right. There is no Stolen Valor in that. With that being said, if you never served a day, but started telling stories that you did serve after you start wearing them...then you'll be stepping into the Stolen Valor lane.
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I am not sure where casual wear treads on stolen valor. Certainly if you wore insignia of branch, rank, unit, years of service, and awards of merit, campaign, or valor there may be reason for concern. But, I have seen so many men and women casually wearing uniform blouse, pants, skirt, shoes, and/or hats without a suggestion or implication they ever served. Indeed, such wear was considered rather a form of comedic camp expression at one time e.g. see the provocative "sailor" girl in old cracker jack navy attire. A civilian who gave it much thought might shy away from a blouse emblazoned US Army, US Coast Guard, and/or uniform hats strictly associated with officers - except in camp club, costume party, or bedroom situation. I personally provoked a few gasps when I dressed up in a more or less accuract replica of HM Princess Elizabeth's WWII ATS Uniform for costume parties and a particularly camp inaugural ball - but I don't believe anyone mistook my uniform for anything beyond an homage to the queen - certainly not as a claim to have served as a WWII Auxiliary Territorial Service Officer. I once wore an extensively taken in dark blue USN MCPO uniform jacket with hash marks down the sleeve on loan from a friend for Halloween Trick or Treat when I was 12 in 1962 - perhaps it was in bad taste - for which I beg forgiveness - but again I don't believe anyone mistook me for a grizzled goat locker inhabitant. Same for a WWII bomber pilot uniform accurate down to the fur lined jacket for yet again another halloween party. Perhaps it was because women were not allowed to serve - or because I was obviously not the young princess - no one took offense at these historic costumes. When a historic uniform is worn casually in the course of performance - in theatre - as an homage - or at a costume party - or in the bedroom - or even for kicks and giggles - should we take offense - or does the true meaning of stolen valor really reside with those who are seriously attempting to make a claim to official position, merit, or valor they did not earn? The MCPO's hat flopped around on my tiny head - and the hem of the jacket fell around my ankles - was that stolen valor - or just a little kid playing dress up in an honored and respected family friend's uniform jacket? I really don't know - but I sometimes wonder whether we take ourselves and our uniforms all too seriously - when they really only have meaning and significance to us - and the rest of the world does not understand. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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CMDCM Gene Treants
1LT Sandy Annala I firmly believe Stolen Valor lies in the INTENT not just in wearing parts of the uniform(s). If I wear parts of my old Navy Uniforms like Ball Caps, I don't see how I could even be accused of Stealing Valor, unless someone did not believe I was ever a Sailor entitled to that particular ball cap, jacket, etc. However, if I dressed in my old uniform, pinned a Seal Insignia and MOH on myself and paraded around town, then I could be accused of it since I never earned either.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
Exactly. Of course you could wear the Seal insignia and see what happens. But I do draw the line at MOH. If you didn't earn it you better not be wearing that even just for "fun".
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CMDCM Gene Treants - Some things are sacred - not sure civilians would understand - but they are out of the question to wear if not earned - even in a bedroom situation. Sandy :)
Unauthorized by who/what? As a civilian, you can pretty much where whatever you want. And as long as you are not trying to pass yourself off as a service member or veteran, I would say you probably won't get any negative feedback about them (especially if they are just BDU pants).
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You're a civilian so you can do whatever your want. You can't be authorized or unauthorized to do anything from the US Military
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
Outside of Pretending to be a military member for gain that is. That is Federal law not military.
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Not a Problem. Not Aware that either One has Rank or Military Designators on the Pants.
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You know, this reminds me of the TV show MASH where Hawkeye sneaks Radar into the O Club and when questioned about it says they are trying out a new rank "Private Major" or some such. lol
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Corey Anderson
Honestly, I think I vagely remember that, my grandpa watches MASH himself, I love that show.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Corporal- Captain
"M*A*S*H: Welcome to Korea (#4.1)" (1975)
Radar: Hey! Hey! Wait a minute! I can't go in there!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Tish Tosh!
Radar: Aw, c'mon. I'm just a Corporal!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Do you think that kept Hitler out of the Officer's Club?
Capt. B.J. Hunnicut: I really wouldn't want to get him into any trouble.
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: No problem. Just let me have some of your costume jewelery.
Capt. B.J. Hunnicut: Uh, I've had only five weeks of indoctrination. Is this what they call a Field Promotion?
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: For being brave and nearsighted above and beyond the call.
Radar: Losing a Jeep. Impersonating an officer. All in two hours. If I get in trouble, my mother will kill me!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: What are mothers for?
Radar: Hey! What about my stripes?
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Radar, you've heard of Lieutenant-Generals? Sergent-Majors? You are now a Corporal-Captain.
[salutes]
"M*A*S*H: Welcome to Korea (#4.1)" (1975)
Radar: Hey! Hey! Wait a minute! I can't go in there!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Tish Tosh!
Radar: Aw, c'mon. I'm just a Corporal!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Do you think that kept Hitler out of the Officer's Club?
Capt. B.J. Hunnicut: I really wouldn't want to get him into any trouble.
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: No problem. Just let me have some of your costume jewelery.
Capt. B.J. Hunnicut: Uh, I've had only five weeks of indoctrination. Is this what they call a Field Promotion?
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: For being brave and nearsighted above and beyond the call.
Radar: Losing a Jeep. Impersonating an officer. All in two hours. If I get in trouble, my mother will kill me!
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: What are mothers for?
Radar: Hey! What about my stripes?
Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: Radar, you've heard of Lieutenant-Generals? Sergent-Majors? You are now a Corporal-Captain.
[salutes]
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