At what moment does the US military separate itself from the government when thinking the Soldiers creed and oath of enlistment ?

PFC Kimberly Staiti - They weren't lies and history will bear that out. It has this nasty habit of correcting itself over time. Name one of many accusations the left has made against President Trump that has stuck. All those accusations over a four-year period were based on lies and hearsay. When it comes to where the rubber meets the road, the Left had to back off. If we, as conservatives, stand idly by and let the Democrats get away with their lies and innuendo, then we would all hang by tomorrow noon. If you missed the testimony and questioning in the 2nd attempt to impeach the President, you should dig it up and listen to it. Pelosi's side was made to look like fools by the Trump defense legal team. The reason for that is they had no proof to back up the one charge they rushed to impeachment with. We even have backstabbers like Mitch McConnell, Collins, Murkowski, and Romney... who voted with the Democrats, and even then, they lost. The people you're defending were wrong, and they did cheat to win this election. Unfortunately, as I said, we'll have to wait on history to correct that injustice.

SFC Domingo M. Respectfully, the Republicans have had to admit there was no vote tampering. No matter how it's done, there's zero evidence for it. Nobody ran out to vote for Biden. There were more votes cast by mail (to make sure those votes were counted and not dumped bc of hanging chads or machines being manipulated) than were cast in the ~entire~ election of DJT v HRC. My whole family voted by mail. We had a lot of our own votes count against others since there's plenty of healthy political disagreement, but all of us wanted our votes to be hand counted.

Now, here is where I'm going to tiptoe: DJT was inaugurated illegally. I have no idea why he was allowed to take office without complying with the Emoluments Clause, but he was. Additionally, many of his supporters believe he was a servant like JFK who didn't need a salary and didn't take one. That's a huge lie. He gave $100k to 2 different charities. That was it. Being POTUS made him a Billion because of all the Secret Service agents being charged to stay at Trump-owned properties. His kids and their families stayed at Trump owned places all over the globe, usually doing so separately; or Jared in the Middle East, Ivanka at a Women's Work initiative in CONUS or often Europe. Multiply that by all his kids and the Secret Service budget was in the red in DJT's ~first~ year in office.

And we really can't measure the damage done to the office and the public's trust in the law or Constitution when he enticed, encouraged, and convinced his supporters to execute a premeditated, unlawful, lethal, attempted (but failed) coup when blood was spilled in our Capitol Building by people who were attempting to find lawmakers they were trying to assassinate. As CIC, POTUS had the power to activate those troops who had been deployed to DC in case of a scenario just like what happened. The commanders even called to affirm their readiness and we're told they weren't needed. There are at least 6 different LEA's with jurisdiction in DC and because their "governor" is POTUS, they all stood down while people died. On US soil. Inside the sacred halls of our Capitol Building, the ground zero of democracy in our Republic. Cmdrs of the DC police,Capitol police, FBI, yada yada got blamed, but it was on the US president to keep order. He watched it on TV, excited that it began and disappointed there wasn't a bigger crowd. That comes from people who were there. On scene with POTUS,some urging him to put it to a stop.

How long did it go on before he told them he loved them, but it was time to stop? He didn't command them to stand down immediately and turn themselves in. He gave some tepid words, dragged out of him by his LAWYERS ~after~ multiple assaults and deaths had occurred.

I agree with you 100%: History will bear it out.

Even though Trump appointed 2/3rds of the Federal Circuit judges, none of them are allowing him to counter or drop the dozens of suits involved.

I'm not a Democrat. I don't fit anywhere in the political spectrum. I'm too conservative for liberals and too liberal for conservatives.
I don't expect anyone to support all my views.

But no one can say Trump fulfilled the requirements of the office because he never did attempt to comply with the Constitution and blindly give up his business interests. The first president in history to be non-compliant with the Emoluments Clause.

That is what is called "leverage." Anything that can be used against you is cause for a clearance to be revoked. Yet he made over a B, Bravo, ~Billion~ by having ~unofficial~ meetings with high level foreign business people and folks in politics/government officials who stayed at the "Post Office" or Mar-a-Lago. Those are only the ones we know of. How in the name of national security did Jared Kushner get access to the highest of the high level intel? He *repeatedly* had to correct his list of foreign contacts, businesses, and foreign trips. Had he been in the Army, he could have gotten away with a single, tiny revision. Anymore and he would be facing charges of lying on an official govt document. I've seen soldiers go to Leavenworth bc they called the CQ to extend their leave and the CQ failed to document the call. Even after the CQ admitted his failure, the troop went to prison.

I'm sorry, but everything does rise or fall on leadership and the US is on her knees after the Trump administration

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Wow Master Sgt., you really should balance out the media from which you obtain your news until you find out the truth of what really happened. There were some people I know who's adult children happened to be in D.C. the day of the attack. They had passes to tour the Capital. They had their reservations, passes etc., months before there was even a rally scheduled. They were in the Capital touring it when things started kicking off. They had video of three busses that were NOT part of the Trump rally pulling in front of the Capitol. They had video of the as the people off-loaded and stormed the Capitol, and that was the beginning of the event. This couple had the FBI come after them at their home, they lost their jobs and were arrested. Their computers were confiscated, whatever the video was on (Zip drive, or SIM card) was taken. The parents have not heard from them and have no idea where they are. There were and are still a lot of phony stories, like it was an "armed takeover." The only shots fired were the ones that took the AF (vets) female's life by a Capitol Police Officer. There were not guns or expelled shells confiscated or found. It was also falsely reported that the Capitol Police Officer was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, Not True. So, No, President Trump did NOT tell anybody to storm the Capitol. Please expand your mind and really research things that can be detrimental to your beliefs and can cause you to condemn or damn somebody without having all of the facts. Thank you.

SFC Domingo M. - I clicked on the link taking me to Trump's Jan 6 rally speech and SFC Holmes chose to quote a short section at the beginning of the lengthy speech while ignoring the critical final minute of the speech. "“Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore." While we can play word games all day long with his "fight like hell" statement, those words ignited a fuse in many people who decided to take that fight to our capitol building. Words matter.

"Lawful" was the operative word here. Civilians have no authority other than the Constitutional duty of a loyal citizen. No Chain of Command. No Commander. That is, unless they join a militia group, which are not recognized as legal authority. Folks on active duty fall under the UCMJ. They can refuse to obey what they believe to be an unlawful order, and pay the price if they are wrong. Attacking the Capitol because Captain Q told you to will not fly in court. Neither will the personal beliefs that cause you to act without any orders. Our laws have to meet a Constitutionality test or they are stricken. Courts make that call. Not militia or individuals acting on their own behalf. That's the way it is.

CWO3 (Join to see) - That is the problem Civilians have no authority other than the Constitutional duty of a loyal citizen. The civilian power of the vote has been questioned so it has caused a larger division between the people and great unrest.
The courts of the land are no longer trusted by either side and it is getting worse. The congress, senate and president is losing trust of their supporters daily.
The only trust any of the people have now is in the constitution and that it was written for the people. So what would you expect of people that have no faith in the system.
The military if they decide to follow illegal orders that actually goes against the constitution will have failed in its basic reason for existing and that is to protect the constitution and the people.

SPC Curtis Underwood - Citizens are the most powerful element in a "United" States of America, IF they are in large numbers and truly united. A large gathering can bankrupt a corporation through boycott, remove politicians through their collective votes, and protest to right obvious wrongs in Government. It takes unity though, and is why we are intentionally divided and pitted against each other. Easier to manage warring factions than a united front.

CWO3 (Join to see) - That is very true. I also understand your position.
I am a Veteran and what I am seeing is not good at all. The future of the USA is very bleak.

Wow fact checking is wrong. U never did tell me if Trump did a good job with the pandemic. 60 some federal fraud cases lost and u claim they were never heard. That is extraordinary. So u believe in a pathological liar. SSgt Michael Bowen

MAJ Ken Landgren - Nice try at the spin and misleading reply . I never said fact checking was wrong And every one hear can see that . You asked if i used fact check an on line service that has been wrong many times and makes it a third party Hearsay which means you are just regurgitating what some one else is saying , I said i do my own fact checking from the sources themselves . And yes Trump did do a good job as much as he could do with the never ending hindrance and interfering he got from democrats . They made it clear they would do anything they could by any means to undermine his administration . And that's not speculation they said as much and on video . And they did just that. And the only one that believes in a true pathological liar is you . Biden has lied for over 47 years non stop . Even to the point he had to pull out of a presidential run in 1988 for that very reason . But back then the Media was not so accommodating so he didn't get away with it unlike today where they cover it up . Kind of like what you're trying to do . Look I get it you have TDS And nothing can change that . And because it's a political ideological disorder there is no cure . We get that too .

Some more drivel I refuse to read. SSgt Michael Bowen

If you don't read it Then how do you know it's drivel ? or is that just your assumption and opinion based on your hurt feelings again ? I would expect better from a Maj then cheap empty dismissive nonsense . But i guess your ego is getting in the way . News flash you being or having been a Maj and me having been a SSGT does not in any way make you a superior person to any one , get over yourself . Fact : your opinions and beliefs are no more or less valid then my own . To each his own deal with it .

No but when he commands you to go against the constitution it is your duty to disobey him and bring charges against him. That is your oath.

I think there might be an elephant in the room. I will attempt to identify it:
One - The SECDEF has recently releases a memo to the field about extremism. I think I get the point, but at what point does something become labeled "extremism"? It seems to be defined a bit softly, if at all.
Two - The current Administration has rescinded the Previous Administration's EO's regarding the "1619 Project" and "Critical Race Theory" both of which seem to me to be ... ahem ... sketchy, to say the least.
Three - The almost incessant cry of "racism" along with finger-pointing. It almost sounds like the "reign of terror" in late eighteenth century France.