Posted on Dec 16, 2015
Atheist Marine against "In God We Trust" on our Currency?
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Anonymous Minnesota "Marine" and atheist commences lawsuit to remove "In God We Trust" from our currency. Lawsuit commenced December 15, 2015. What do you think? Lawsuit is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwVkb6p7OhGicXg3Ym1JY3hfM3c/view
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This country was founded on these principles and if some people are not happy with it, they ought to leave. To allow people like this person to destroy this country is making us some third world country. The courts ought to throw him and case out!
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SFC William Farrell
I did not mean to imply that it was LTC (Join to see), I was just stating that we were founded on the principles of freedom of religion. To allow someone to fight in the court to throw out all religion goes against those principle.
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Cpl Benjamin Long
and if they refuse to leave? cases don't get to scotus with out an army of people backing it...
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SFC William Farrell
Yes, an Army of nut cases out to destroy this country Cpl Benjamin Long. You could send him to Afghanistan, its ben said there are no atheists in fox holes!
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Cpl Benjamin Long
SFC William Farrell - So what do you do about it... besides tell them to get out? like they'll listen... because I am pretty sure they'll tell you to get bent when you holler that threat...
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As an agnostic I can see his point of view, but it's the wrong fight to have.
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As a nation what do we really worship more than money? If Mammon is our god, then putting "In God We Trust" on our money only makes sense.
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One thing I find interesting in this thread is the number of people who argue on behalf of polytheists that having "God" in the singular form is somehow offensive to them. "God" is a title, not a name, and neither our founding documents nor our money identify him/her/it, which leaves the understanding up to each person as to who or what that God is. The use of "God" in singular in our founding documents and our money does not demand people limit their beliefs to only one God, and I have never heard a polytheist make that argument.
The only people making that argument are atheists, who are acting like petulant children trying to get their way.
The only people making that argument are atheists, who are acting like petulant children trying to get their way.
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CPT Pedro Meza
TSgt Kerry Hardy - Correction people need to practice their faith, specially with the Syrian Refugees, so bring them out of their churches to help others.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSG Matthew Adkins That last bit is not accurate. All states are still governed by their own constitutions. The U.S. Constitution does have some universal aspects to it, but in this context, the prohibition on establishing a religion is strictly on the U.S. Congress.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Any understanding of that clause that extends beyond the U.S. Congress is not based on what the Constitution actually says, it's based on somebody's interpretation.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Any understanding of that clause that extends beyond the U.S. Congress is not based on what the Constitution actually says, it's based on somebody's interpretation.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSG Matthew Adkins I see your point. It doesn't really take away from mine though, as I was responding originally to TSgt Kerry Hardy's rather inane argument.
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TSgt Kerry Hardy
SSgt Christopher Brose - How is that insane argument? If you put a reference to a deity on any government owned article, you by proxy make that deity state sponsored religion. The constitution is a body of laws that formed the backbone of US. As with any law it is open to interpretation. But what one judge sees anther will see the other side. The founding fathers made sure that this country wasn't founded on any religious doctrine as that was one of the reasons that they left England. Keep all deities in the churches they belong in....
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That's the problem, one person doesn't like something and then think their rights outweigh everyone else's.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
LCpl Jesse Foust Whether you like it or not, this country was founded as a (mono)theist nation. The Declaration of Independence was very specific in its reference to "Nature's God" and "Creator". Even the Constitution acknowledges a God, indirectly, with the use of the term "Blessings of Liberty" (words like "blessing" and "blasphemy" only have meaning derived from a religious context).
Nobody is telling anybody what they have to believe. You, me, and everybody else, has the right to belong to whatever religion we want. It's beyond stupid to argue that having "in God we trust" on our money somehow compels everyone to be a monotheist. If you're an atheist, you shouldn't really care, and if you're a polytheist, then the undefined God mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is simply one of many.
Nobody is telling anybody what they have to believe. You, me, and everybody else, has the right to belong to whatever religion we want. It's beyond stupid to argue that having "in God we trust" on our money somehow compels everyone to be a monotheist. If you're an atheist, you shouldn't really care, and if you're a polytheist, then the undefined God mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is simply one of many.
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LCpl Jesse Foust
SSgt Christopher Brose - Who are you to say what anyone should or should not care about? Personally, I don't care if they start putting pictures of famous serial killers on our money or anything else, so long as I can still pay for things with it. But, the fact is that it could be considered a violation of the constitution to imply that We (the U.S.) trust God. I believe the person starting this suit is remaining anonymous in order to quiet those who would say he's doing it for the attention. I think we should let him, because he has the right to attempt to change something that he believes violates one of the basic tenets of our country.
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SSgt Christopher Brose - This country was founded as a secular republic. The only mention of religion in our constitution, which is the ONE AND ONLY document that established and controls our government is that the government shall establish no religion.
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The fact that he remains anonymous means he's a coward and so probably not even a Marine. If you're for something or against something, be proud and show your face. Otherwise, your cause probably isn't worth fighting for. Same goes for ISIS, KKK ETC
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I'm reading the comments (which are good) and for some reason "Zero F*cks Given" comes to mind. This is as frivolous as lawsuit as someone spilling coffee on themselves then suing the coffee maker for making it hot. If you are against "In God We Trust", that's fine. The currency doesn't state what God, just A God. So it's up to the bearer to interpret what that means. It could be Allah, Buddha, or whatever. If you are a non-believer is it really crushing your morals holding money? Are you going to go to your employer and say I want to be paid ONLY in bills that don't mention a God on them? What about Bit coin, would that suit your needs? I know everyone has a right to air their grievances and what means nothing to me could mean the world to you. But in this ONE case, I feel there is so much more to worry about. But to each his own. This will be thrown out with the swiftness being he has NO issues will collecting money with "In God We Trust", spending money with that on it, and it doesn't violate the separation of church and state being that the Government isn't stating what religion is on the bills. We're in a time of technology and if you do not believe or do not like what's on the bills, you have the ability to use credit, debit, or EBT, and in all three, your hand would never come into contact with a filthy religion fueled bill.
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TSgt Kerry Hardy
SSG Swan - As I pointed out in earlier post god is connected to Jehovah the christian deity. The term god isn't used for Allah or Buddha, they are called by those names. Zeus, Odin, Ra, and ones before Jehovah where the gods but not god. So by using "in god we trust" as US motto congress indeed make christian the defacto state religion of US but without power to enforce people to follow as Islamic states do.
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