Posted on Aug 5, 2014
SSG Robin Rushlo
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Atheists want guard to stop bible handouts what is your opinion
If you do not believe in the BIBLE GOD JESUS etc do not take the BIBLE. Easy answer

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/05/atheists-want-guard-to-stop-bible-handouts.html?ESRC=eb.nl
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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While I had no problem with the Gideon's Bible they gave you in the care package before you deployed or in Boot Camp I am totally against the Proselytizing that some Fundamentalist do. In my 21 years in the Navy there was hardly any discussion of Religion and or Faith. It was considered Personal and Private and on a ship that is as it should be.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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If your religious, bring your own bible. Easy answer.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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I'm just sick of the whole religion anti religion crap. Honestly, both sides need thicker skin and to grow up.
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CPO William Hughes
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Preacher, you should read it again. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON IN UNIFORM TO HAND OUT OVERTLY RELIGIOUS MATERIAL. PERIOD. It is a violation of the separation of Church/State.
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SGT Alicia Brenneis
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I am a Christian and I will never understand why someone would be so offended by something they don't believe is real. The bible is just a story to people who do not believe. Do these people (the ones who are demanding no bibles) get offended when someone hands them any other "fiction" novel ?
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SSG Practical/Vocational Nursing
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Perhaps that is an issue, no other literature is being made available or allowed. If only one viewpoint is allowed, then it is in violation of court rulings prohibiting the establishment of favoring one belief (by default, or intentional exclusion).
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CPO William Hughes
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No other "fiction" novel commands it's followers to rape, maim and kill their fellow human beings and "become part of the flock".
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LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU®
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I agree, people don't have to take it if they don't want. I understand that some can be pushy, but I think it can go the other way too. My faith is important to me but won't push it on people.

Being deployed and seeing that many look towards their spiritual life I will gladly explain my faith if asked. I believe that if some of the atheists that don't want the bible handed out have ever faced deployment, some may understand that handing out the Bible isn't a bad thing and can help morale for those serving in harms way.
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CPT Jason Torpy
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Humanists also take advantage of the MEPS policy which is actually secular and egalitarian. Gideons could be said to be preying on impressionable young troops with a nationwide effort to push Christianity. But that wouldn't really be fair because the policy allows any 'non-federal entity' to place literature for use by trainees. When humanists or satanists or wiccans choose to do so as well, they will (assuming no discrimination) be welcomed, and they have been in the past.
http://militaryatheists.org/news/2012/02/humanist-literature-now-available-for-new-enlistees-2/
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Good for Gretchen. I'd bring some of the brochures to OKC.

And...

"Despite these setbacks, the brochures now sit alongside the Bibles, managing not to catch each other on fire." Amazing.
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SPC(P) Samantha Moore
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A simple 'no thank you" is enough, I do it all of the time when people try to hand me things that I don't want. An offering is not "pushing my beliefs on you."
This person is giving Athiests a bad name by just being an as*hole.
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PO1 John Y.
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You know, as much faith as it takes for a Christian to believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Muslims in Allah, Jews in God, and all those who claim some type of deity, is the same type of faith for Atheists to believe in nothing or evolution or whatever. That being said why are you Mr. and Ms. Atheist pushing your beliefs on me? This country was founded on Christian faith and principles. The FREEDOM of religion means you don't have to be a Christian or practice Christianity to live in America, but you don't get to tell Christians or any other faith that we can't worship and practice our faith where ever we see fit.
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LCpl James Robertson
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Atheist is just who they are, to destroy the gospel of Jesus Christ, those who do not believe, is the enemy to God. Do not go near them they have another doctrine, without faith its impossible to worship God, and to please him. For we walk by faith and not by sight.
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PO1 John Y.
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I want a free nation! If atheists can believe (or not believe) what they want and voice it, LDS and Jehovah Witnesses can knock on my door and try to tell me their view, "true" Islam can boast peace, then Christian can evangelize and OFFER Bibles to people who have the right to turn them down!
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SSG Practical/Vocational Nursing
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However, they do NOT have the right to unfettered access, or sole access, to service members. If one group is allowed access, then all must be accorded the same opportunity. The courts have ruled the gov't must remain neutral in this aspect.
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PO1 John Y.
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I agree, however, I have never seen Buddhists, Muslims, nor Jews evangelize like Christians. Hari Krishnas (sp?) and Jehovah Witnesses are anti-military so I can understand them not trying handout pamphlets to military service members. As for Atheists, if they have material I'd be surprised but I haven't heard of them trying to handout stuff to the military. The question would be have they and were turned down? My guess probably not.
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SSG Robin Rushlo, I'm with you: If you don't want a Bible or a New Testament, don't take one. But that wouldn't allow these people to make their statement and jam their non-belief down the throats of everyone else. It would be grand if people could be reasonable about things like this.
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Irony: Opposed to people "pushing" their religion. But, have no problem pushing theirs on you.
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SSG Practical/Vocational Nursing
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CW5 Montgomery, please tell us exactly when you have had ANYONE tell you that you cannot believe. Tell us when you have been prohibited from praying.

Sorry, but those claims of persecution fall flat. Remaining neutral is not the same thing as you are claiming in regards to this article.

Secularism =/= atheism.
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SSG Programmer Analyst
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Just my feelings. If you want it take it, if you don't leave it. Or are we to the point were even the mere mention of something you don't believe in is illegal and must be banned. So under that thought if I was a vegetarian then the Army would have to stop serving meat at the chow hall. Because if I don't want anyone to offer me a burger, and if I don't want a burger then I don't want you to have the choose ether. Because if it is not what I would choose then make the rest illegal so so everyone has to do what i feel is correct. The freedom of religion that states you can be an atheist if YOU CHOOSE to also lets ME CHOOSE to be a man of faith. separation of church and state means that your government can not pick a religion and make you practice it. At the same time it does not stop me from practicing mine.
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PO2 Disabled Veteran Outreach Program
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The humanists and atheists are starting to remind me of the scientologists on Southpark. Just a lot of shouting "we're going to sue you!"
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