Posted on Aug 5, 2014
Atheists Want Guard to Stop Bible Handouts. What is your opinion?
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If you do not believe in the BIBLE GOD JESUS etc do not take the BIBLE. Easy answer
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/05/atheists-want-guard-to-stop-bible-handouts.html?ESRC=eb.nl
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/05/atheists-want-guard-to-stop-bible-handouts.html?ESRC=eb.nl
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It started out under the "tolerance" moniker but has now evolved into pure hatred by such groups as the American Humanist Association and the LGBT. These groups began by saying "you believe what you believe and we will do the same. But now, it has become an all out war on peoples beliefs if you don't believe what these groups say. An "atheist" says "There is no God, and you have to believe what I believe no matter what or else." The gay community or LGBT has basically stated the same thing. I wonder what changed for these people? I will say I am a Christian, I love God and Jesus and if it is a fight you are looking for, you came to the right person!
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This is why I left the U.S. Army. Its become a joke. Things like this are so incredibly un-american it baffles me. If you are offended by it, don't take the bible.... but don't take away everyone else CHOICE to accept the bible or not.
People of various different religion's come to Penn State to hand out bibles and literature. Groups like Jehovas Witness, Mormon's, Menonites, etc... I dont believe in what those people believe in, but when they try and talk to me or hand me something, I politely tell them I don't want it. They then turn around and try and hand it to the guy behind me.....
Evangelizing or door to door ministry is something that Mormon's, JW's and Adventists tend to do in my Area. When they come to my door, I tell them I am Catholic and am really happy with what I believe in. They smile and they go away afterwards.
Even though these people believe in something different then me, I don't make a scene or start problems with them. I move on, and kind of admire them for having the courage to go door to door every day and get rejected all day long, but having the perseverance to wake up tomorrow and do it again.
People of various different religion's come to Penn State to hand out bibles and literature. Groups like Jehovas Witness, Mormon's, Menonites, etc... I dont believe in what those people believe in, but when they try and talk to me or hand me something, I politely tell them I don't want it. They then turn around and try and hand it to the guy behind me.....
Evangelizing or door to door ministry is something that Mormon's, JW's and Adventists tend to do in my Area. When they come to my door, I tell them I am Catholic and am really happy with what I believe in. They smile and they go away afterwards.
Even though these people believe in something different then me, I don't make a scene or start problems with them. I move on, and kind of admire them for having the courage to go door to door every day and get rejected all day long, but having the perseverance to wake up tomorrow and do it again.
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If they dont believe in it they can politely decline. Nothing says they have to accept one.
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Easy---Don't pick it up. But, don't force me to take or try to convert me. We WILL have issues.
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SPC Charles Brown
Forget this PC bs, and continue to carry out the mission of passing out Bibles. You can't please everyone, if you are an atheist then you have two options: 1) don't pass them out, and 2) don't accept them if they are offered to you. Easy as that. The downside to option 1 is that you could find yourself on the short end of an article 15 at best for failing to follow orders. Let your conscious be your guide. Principles are a great thing, however, in the military standing up for what you believe can land you in trouble. Suck it up and do what you are expected to do.
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SSG (Join to see)
If anyone orders a person to hand out a bible, then he/she is in violation of the Establishment clause. That person would be subject to UCMJ, not the person refusing to hand them out.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
Gee CPL Charles Brown were you sleeping when they discussed lawful orders and what constitutes an unlawful order under the UCMJ. Sounds like you need a refresher course. It amazing how Article 15 is thrown out there for any little thing that Officer or NCO doesn't go their way, when they don't realize they sometimes get outranked.
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I think sometimes atheists are the biggest most butthurt group of people. There's nothing wrong with believing in whatever you want, but if a faith is so important to someone that they are giving away a free book, simply decline it without being a douche about it. You don't need to raise a stink over every little thing.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Actually, it would more likely be the young children who get bent over by religious leadership who end up the most butthurt. Most Atheists as well as most Agnostics fundamentally challenge those whom would knowingly continue to follow any of this sort of "lacking of leadership by example". Every organized religion has had at least a few guilty leaders.
The usual retort of religious folks is "blame the flawed individual, but not the book". The problem with that is if people who have spent most of their own lifetimes cant even grasp following some basic ruleset---one they have chosen to impose upon themselves, then how can the rest of the people be expected to do so?
Those folks may also resent any implication they need to figure out how they should conduct themselves by having to read it from any book...that their base IQ and simple observational skills are not sufficient. And while we were/are in uniform, we also have our General Orders, and our UCMJ.
As an Agnostic, I'm not bashing anyone's beliefs...if you need a book (why didn't you have one already if its so important?) then go to a Chaplain's Office and ask for one. But I don't think standing around passing out these things and by virtue of the human contact alone gets people away from simply offering some material and start wanting to chat people up about it, some of which may not respond politely...it just sets things up for tensions that could lead to worse scenarios.
Lastly, many folks are annoyed when they approach a WalMart and have to hear the metal bell ringing for any reason, assuming its for soliciting monetary donations for something. However I would think and hope we are all still obligated (if not interested in) to do nothing that would ever bring any disgrace to our uniform or branch of service. Standing around passing out anything puts that ringing bell in most people's minds. So I'd hope folks are doing things in a manner a few levels above the "Drunken Santa" routine.
Respectfully - Semper Fi
The usual retort of religious folks is "blame the flawed individual, but not the book". The problem with that is if people who have spent most of their own lifetimes cant even grasp following some basic ruleset---one they have chosen to impose upon themselves, then how can the rest of the people be expected to do so?
Those folks may also resent any implication they need to figure out how they should conduct themselves by having to read it from any book...that their base IQ and simple observational skills are not sufficient. And while we were/are in uniform, we also have our General Orders, and our UCMJ.
As an Agnostic, I'm not bashing anyone's beliefs...if you need a book (why didn't you have one already if its so important?) then go to a Chaplain's Office and ask for one. But I don't think standing around passing out these things and by virtue of the human contact alone gets people away from simply offering some material and start wanting to chat people up about it, some of which may not respond politely...it just sets things up for tensions that could lead to worse scenarios.
Lastly, many folks are annoyed when they approach a WalMart and have to hear the metal bell ringing for any reason, assuming its for soliciting monetary donations for something. However I would think and hope we are all still obligated (if not interested in) to do nothing that would ever bring any disgrace to our uniform or branch of service. Standing around passing out anything puts that ringing bell in most people's minds. So I'd hope folks are doing things in a manner a few levels above the "Drunken Santa" routine.
Respectfully - Semper Fi
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Well ultimately we make the final decision. After all it's not TA-50 issued. I myself enjoy my bible.
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If you don't want one, don't take one. If people are offended the solution is simple. Don't take a Bible! Over sensitivity is harming the military and ruining society.
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I've done tours in Kuwait and Afghanistan and never had a bible handed to me...in fact, I had to go request one. I'm no bible thumper, nor were any of my guys in theater, but we all really appreciated the positive influence of our Chaplin corp. I agree with what some of my fellows here have said...a simple "no thank you" is should be adequate.
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Atheists are not content to be non believers. They go out of their way to interfere with those who do believe. It simply "bugs the crap out of them". It seems to me that they seek attention by spreading their "word" of non belief by being as big of a pain in the rear as they can. Have faith, or not, is an individual choice. So let them not take a Bible, but that isn't enough in the mind of an atheist. They have a need to be disruptive. The real question, is why do they have this need? Ever seen a child intentionally break something, or scream when the adults were talking? That's how I see this sad group.
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