Posted on Mar 24, 2014
SGM Matthew Quick
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Good idea or bad idea? &nbsp;Why or why not?<br><br><span style="color: rgb(75, 73, 66); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;">The Navy is on the verge of eliminating tobacco sales on all its bases and ships. &nbsp;If implemented, should the rest of the military follow suit?</span><br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.armyreenlistment.com/profile.gif"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armyreenlistment.com/news-banning-tobacco-sales.html">Navy mulls banning tobacco sales on all bases, ships</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">10 Years Army Strong for Soldiers and Families</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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SFC Motor Transport Operator
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Yes , its garbage and its bad for your health and health of others, plus its disrespectful .
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SGT Clark Ridgaway
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Why is it disrespectful?
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Id rather see when/where use controlled plus education and assistance to stop if wanted stepped up.
Want to drink? Fine, do it after duty hours.
Want to smoke? Fine, do it after duty hours.
Neither activity should be "banned" and neither activity should get even a min of duty time.
"But Im just smoking on my beak, everyone gets a break"
Yaaaa, right..because when the smoker gets a break, they ONLY go smoke..ya sure.... We know that's not true...they smoke PLUS take the time needed to do the things associated and NEEDED on break. Get a refreshment, use the bathroom, make that phone call to the bank.....Smokers do all that AND take time to go smoke. Thus wasting duty time on a habitat that decreases medical readiness , has proven heath risks and issues to performance as it relates to military duties.
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MSgt William Lucas
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I think if a Service is going to ban smoking on federal reservations, they should not sell tobacco products on those reservations.
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Cpl David Schaffer
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I am not a smoker however I think this is ridiculous. Just because I do not smoke and personally do not like the smell does not mean Joe Schmoe should not be able to. Give them smoking area's on the base that they can smoke in and be done with it. Now if they are going to debate banning anything I say alcohol (though I am opposed to them doing that as well). I mean come on our society is so messed up and backwards and that backwards mentality is coming into our military from the PC but kissing politically driven officers and SNCO's.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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You know - I think the policy is probably never going to get off the ground - so smokers are safe.

What I do think is that we should take into consideration such things as alcohol usage, smoking, drug usage, etc., when we consider the health and life insurance costs. Life insurance for those Active duty and beyond; health insurance for costs for those using and paying for Tricare - or any other than active military health insurance. Let's get real - we're all adults. No one put a gun to our heads and insisted we drink alcohol, smoke, dip, chew, eat a crappy, unhealthy meal when not eating on post/base/ship. If you opt to smoke - then based on blood tests your health insurance and life insurance will cost more. If you're caught for a alcohol based offense - your life and health insurance costs go up, commensurate to the risks taken. It's just like if you drive a car and get into an accident that's deemed your fault - your auto insurance rates go up...and they should!!

Bottom line: you want to drink, smoke, dip, chew, engage in whatever militarily unnecessary and unapproved risk taking your short term and long term insurance rates go up. Let adults be adults - and pay the price for the health care and life insurance costs.
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1SG Company First Sergeant
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On a ship I can understand it. I say that because I feel that a ship is the same as a military vehicle or a military owned building where tobacco use is prohibited anyways. So why sell something on a ship that shouldn't be allowed for use?
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But Ships are also their home... They are unable to exit the ship or go home from the ship. A vehicle can be exited and a building can be left.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Even though we did not SELL Tobacco products on USS Anzio (CG-68) when we commissioned her, we still had designated smoking areas. Sailors who used tobacco products could and did bring in their prefered things. I really hated smokeless products (chewing tobacco and snuff because those users thought they could use anywhere and often had spit cups that got out of control. Eventually we banned their use in all areas except designated smoking areas also.
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I'm against banning tobacco use on Post. However, I think a better way to ask this question is, "Should AAFES be in the business of selling tobacco products to service-members?"
http://info.cvscaremark.com/cvs-insights/cvs-quits
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SFC Intelligence Analyst   Atl
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I think that the banning of sales is doable. However, I would submit to you that you would have to likewise eliminate the sale of alcohol as well. In my opinion, neither will happen anytime soon. The out-right banning of tobacco would have a significant effect on retention as well.
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SFC Special Forces Medical Sergeant
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Banning tobacco sales is simply an obtuse idea. The military is NOT a lab rat for social changes, nor should it be treate3d as such.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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You call that progression? ;o)
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SFC Stephen P.
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Increase in mail volume as members switch to mail order.
Increase in DUIs when members drive off the installation to get smokes.
Short term financial difficulties for a few members.
Possible negative retention impact (most likely negligible, especially in the current environment).
Slight reduction in MWR funding.

Probably be better off prohibiting the use of tobacco, but I doubt any real improvements to readiness as a result.

Benefits:
Bragging rights for a small number of officers.
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SFC Intelligence Analyst   Atl
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I think your point of "negative retention impact" is understated. According to US census data about 1/3 of the US population use tobacco. That number is much higher across the services. The outright banning of tobacco would most certainly cause a significant retention problem.
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SFC Stephen P.
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Banning tobacco != banning the sale of tobacco.

Bans on the sale will only divert the market to other sources. Congress banned the sale of pornography through NAF, I still saw plenty of it in the Bs.

A ban on the use would significantly impact retention, for a time. After a few years, it would probably level off.
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As we remain a volunteer force, I absolutely agree that the retention effect would level off. It might be tougher for recruiters to make mission. I further agree that the ban of the sale would only divert the market. My previous statement of "outright ban" should read to include "ban the use of..."
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Providing they "ban" tabacco sales on military installations, people will find placed to smoke. On post: in the woodline or porta potty. Overseas try it, not gonna happen. So many civilians that do smoke/chew as well as coalition forces. But for arguement sake lets say they do, I would be on the phone and western union cash back home to have family send me about 4 cartons a month. A soldier will find a way
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