Posted on Jun 3, 2014
Being addressed/addressing others by rank after retirement
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I fall into category 2, but was curious what others thought. From my RallyPoint experience I can see there is a lot of respect for rank among retirees and from active service members. Even locally when I run into my comrades, we all address each other by rank out of respect. Even though I tell people to call me by my first name, It still feels good to hear it.
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I don't mind being a citizen now, instead of a MSgt. After all, we were all just people before we joined; military rank isn't permanent.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Absolutely. I posed the question because most of my career was NG in Rhode Island and I don't go to Walmart w/o bumping into someone I know retired or active and we address each other by rank, more from habit because we've been together so long.
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If I can make a retired service member feel good by calling them by their rank - I always do it! One particular retiree really appreciates hearing "Sergeant Major" (and sometimes "Command Sergeant Major") from me every time we see each other - makes me feel good, too!
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I say Cat 2. If a retired officer gives me permission to call them by their first name then so be it, until then it is by rank, they earned it. I call our county veterans service officer Colonel every time I interact. Same goes for my town supervisor, a retired Merchant Marine, he gets called Captain. I understand that one may be a stretch for some, but being a Military Sealift Command Sailor, not so much for me.
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Lt Col Walter Green
I agree with you on the Merchant Marine Captain, especially if he was a graduate of Kings Point. Getting to be a Captain in any reputable shipping operations is a long road and demands considerable skill. Command of deep draft at sea with a minimum size crew is a tough job, a dangerous job when you look at the number of merchant ships lost each year, and deserves a lot of respect.
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Here's my experience after 12 years of retirement:
1. I have a ponytail and usually a three-day beard. Addressing me as "Commander" just seems silly, although admittedly I frequently looked like that on day 82 of a 90-day submarine patrol.
2. When someone addresses me as "Mr. Nordman", my guilty conscience makes my sphincters clench by reflex.
Both of the above terms seem to be used most frequently by people who want to coerce me to behave in a certain way, even if it's just to comply with their wishes.
"Ma'am" or "sir" seem to be all the formality required by social interactions. For everything else I prefer "Doug" or "Nords".
Wearing one's rank in retirement is a temptation to rest on your laurels without earning a new honorific. Is your rank really the most significant accomplishment you have in your life? I think the best goals are designations like "Honey" or "Dad" or "Grandpa"...
1. I have a ponytail and usually a three-day beard. Addressing me as "Commander" just seems silly, although admittedly I frequently looked like that on day 82 of a 90-day submarine patrol.
2. When someone addresses me as "Mr. Nordman", my guilty conscience makes my sphincters clench by reflex.
Both of the above terms seem to be used most frequently by people who want to coerce me to behave in a certain way, even if it's just to comply with their wishes.
"Ma'am" or "sir" seem to be all the formality required by social interactions. For everything else I prefer "Doug" or "Nords".
Wearing one's rank in retirement is a temptation to rest on your laurels without earning a new honorific. Is your rank really the most significant accomplishment you have in your life? I think the best goals are designations like "Honey" or "Dad" or "Grandpa"...
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SGM (Join to see)
Great points! I guess my only resistance is that after 38 years in the military, I've been trained to *HATE* being called "Sir." I work(ed) for a living. ;)
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GySgt Mike Swisher
That's brilliant . . . "honey", "dad", or "grandpa"! Those ARE earned ranks, and ones to be proud of.
Thank you . . you put a smile on my face!
Thank you . . you put a smile on my face!
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Please address me by the first name if I am no longer subject to UCMJ.
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SFC (Join to see)
If you still draw a retirement check you actually are still subject to UCMJ. Check out the retired Marine in Okinawa that was pulled out of retirement.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SFC (Join to see) - Can you give an example when Military Police would have jurisdiction over a retiree? I possibly can...perhaps for a crime that was committed before they retired and they were wanted to questioning based in probably cause. So being subject to UCMJ is not like an active duty service member.
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SFC (Join to see)
[~24526:SSG William 22 Feb 2019
Military.com | By Patricia Kime
The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Defense Department's authority to prosecute retired service members for crimes they commit, even after retirement.
The court on Tuesday chose not to hear the case of a retired Marine who was court-martialed for a sexual assault he committed three months after leaving the service in August 2015. By not accepting the case, Larrabee v. the United States, the court upheld the status quo: that military retirees are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Military.com | By Patricia Kime
The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Defense Department's authority to prosecute retired service members for crimes they commit, even after retirement.
The court on Tuesday chose not to hear the case of a retired Marine who was court-martialed for a sexual assault he committed three months after leaving the service in August 2015. By not accepting the case, Larrabee v. the United States, the court upheld the status quo: that military retirees are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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For Official communications Rank every time, feels silly to even state that. On boards like this it just depends. Sometime the rank distinctions interefere with the discussions, or rather have the potential to cause a stilted playing field for the discussions. As a retiree, I do enjoy hearing my Rank used but more so when someone WANTS to use it rather than when they feel obligated to do so in non-official communications. For this kind of board, I, don't think it's not inappropriate to leave rank out of most discussions. But even so, Courtesy among ourselves should still remain.
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Sir, I'm not retired, however I do feel, as a sign of respect, it is appropriate to address those who achieved a higher grade than I with their grade. If they request I don't do it, then I won't. I don't think it should be required, but it is entirely appropriate to forward that level of respect and recognition. If I were to meet you face to face, and I knew, I would without hesitation address you as Sir or Maj, not by your name. You've earned that respect until proven otherwise.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Agreed, SSgt Clark, its not a required thing nor should it ever be. You can call me Bob too, The only thing Type A about be is my blood supply.
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I work on an installation with few AD Military and hundreds of civilians. Some are retired, but most have no military affiliation in their background. The former military folk address me as SARGE, but a retired SFC and a MSG wants to get on the 2 soldiers for not addressing them with rank? There is some give and take, but how would they know?
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SGT (Join to see)
If they ARE civilians, and you DID NOT KNOW, then there is no fault there. Not opinion, FACT.
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I will use their rank if I knew the person. Otherwise, I will use Sir or Ma'am. Overall, as long as you show respect to that person retired.
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Out of courtesy I always use rank or title when addressing someone who I know served. After that we can talk it out to mutual comfort ability.
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