Posted on Aug 1, 2018
Can a CO make a company wear eye protection all day to prove a point?
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Our CO caught a soldier not wearing eye protection during a land navigation exercise. He decided to make the entire company wear eyepro yo prove a point. Is this necessary? Why not punish the individual soldier?
DA Pam 670-1
Discipline
Training
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Is it really punishment if it helps a Soldier retain his or her eyesight? I've always tried to do thinks as safely as possible including keeping all 10 fingers and toes as well as my eyesight. There's still a lot of beautiful things out there that I wanna see as long as I can! Thanks for serving!
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SGT Z Buff your question triggers in me a story of a Iraq Campaign Veteran buddy of mine. He came very close to losing his eyesight completely after a vehicle born IED blew up outside the HQ building that he was in as base commander. He always wore eye pro outside only taking it off in the building. He was evacuated out really quick. It was three years later when I saw him. I still remember his remark to the effect if I'd only had my eye pro on! He still can't see as well as he once did! Just think about that for a moment please!
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You've got a pretty good resource here to actual learn something and you are bitching about eye pro?!? Sounds like you need to be taken to the woodline with a 2 qt and a pt belt. Is the order illegal, immoral, or unethical? No. Does the commander have the legal authority to punish? Yes. If you're going to make being an NCO a career you better give AR 600-20 a hard read. All our power as NCOs stems from the commanders legal authority.
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MSG (Join to see)
It wasn't mass punishment, it was collective training. Maybe the NCO Corp in the unit should have enforced some standards so the CO doesn't have to.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SSgt Joseph Baptist - We don't have that in the USMC. However the Army and USAF have regulations which address that issue. That isn't an ethics issue but a regulatory one.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SSgt Joseph Baptist - Unit Awards are just that. Awards for units. If the regulation states that you wear your Unit's Awards then there is no ethical issue. Likewise, if you earn the Award, as an individual, for being a member of said Unit then wearing the Ribbon is not an issue. The regulation covers both cases.
An ethical issue would be if someone kept the award after departing the unit having not been part of it when it was awarded. That is not the case. They only wear it while attached or if they earned it as an individual member, so no conflict.
An ethical issue would be if someone kept the award after departing the unit having not been part of it when it was awarded. That is not the case. They only wear it while attached or if they earned it as an individual member, so no conflict.
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Cpl Westin Sandberg
I think the commander was right in his course of action, you can't tell me the only soldier that saw that soldier not wearing his PPE was the CO. Just as he failed his unit, his unit also failed him.
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ROFL who wears eye pro for land navigation? I don't even wear eye pro or ear pro when going to the range. It's the military when you get deployed I don't think the enemy will care about safety.
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MSG (Join to see)
Ah. The songs of youth and inexperience. While you think that not wearing eye and ear pro are not important now....later on you will find that it was important. Here is why. If you get damage to your eyes while at the range, and you try to claim disability for this being military related but the powers that be discover you were given/had protective equipment but CHOSE not to use it....say goodbye to your disability claim. Same with your ears. Here is the thing about hearing loss. Just remember the 3 P's: Painless; Preventable; PERMANENT. Also, every time you have gone to the range, I know for a fact that your Officers and NCO's have done PCC/PCI to see if you have eye/ear pro...are directed to have it and use it....and now admitting that you don't....you have admitted to violating lawful orders of Officers and Noncommissioned Officers. Violation of Articles 91 and 92. Also, have you been deployed? Chances are, no. And you are correct on only one thing that the enemy won't care.....but I can DAMN GUARANTEE that your CoC downrange will. I cannot tell you the number of Soldiers in units I came across in Iraq where the standard policy of daily activities included gloves and constant wearing of eye pro. And, in the picture I have provided...tell me, what do you think would have happened to his face had he NOT been wearing his eye pro?
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