Posted on Feb 11, 2022
Can a corporal in a team leader position have me do corrective action (“smoke” me)? And was I wrong to tell him to eat a bag of dicks?
110K
2.58K
553
694
694
0
We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Edited 5 mo ago
Posted 4 y ago
Responses: 358
SPC (Join to see), it's been a few months. Are you still SPC Gomez, or are you PFC Gomez again? Hopefully, you apologized for disrespecting the Corporal, and then explained to him in private why he was wrong, and that you hope the two of you can work together for the good of the squad.
(0)
(0)
Maybe it's time you get out of the service... And maybe eat a bag of ducks.
(0)
(0)
He was new and inexperienced to the mos, squad ldr will train him. You have been in the military long enough to know insubordination is unacceptable. Insubordination is contagious and will be dealt with quickly and hard. you just became the problem every NCO in the unit will take interest in addressing .
(0)
(0)
Suspended Profile
Yes - you were WRONG. Suggestion: Don't EVER use language to anyone. You are showing gross immaturity, won't change anyone's mind about anything, and could face UCMJ charges, which could cost you rank and money. You were technically right IRT correcting for deflections but TERRIBLY wrong in how you expressed it. (Its now history; apologize to the NCO, and learn to control your mouth. Ask me how I know this....)
SPC.... not an NCO..... CPL..... NCO
BEAT YOUR FACE!!! You don't belong in the E4 Mafia!
BEAT YOUR FACE!!! You don't belong in the E4 Mafia!
(0)
(0)
Respect the rank not the man. You do what he told you to then use your chain of command to correct. Unless his fire commands endanger your life or fellow soldiers you should have pulled him aside and quietly corrected him.
(0)
(0)
Your response put you in the wrong. He stepped outside his power lane but you were insubordinate and engaged in conduct unbecoming a soldier. That being said he will go one to promote to SSG and you just made an enemy of a potential mentor .
(0)
(0)
First, your “B of D” isn’t going to get you anywhere.
Second, there must be a reason so many of you are not selected for an NCO rank, donning the Spec-4 instead.
Third, your team leader does have authority over you. Paygrade irrelevant.
Fourth, if in fact the Cpl was shown to be incorrect, then he should acknowledge it.
Fifth, stop with the “but I was here longer” whining. There are plenty of turds who have been floating in the same spot for forever...back to why many will never see an NCO rank.
Respectfully...now I will admit a bit of Corps bias. ALL our E4s are Corporals. We don’t have the (imo stupidity) of an alternate (pay you more without giving you NCO responsibilities) crap.
Second, there must be a reason so many of you are not selected for an NCO rank, donning the Spec-4 instead.
Third, your team leader does have authority over you. Paygrade irrelevant.
Fourth, if in fact the Cpl was shown to be incorrect, then he should acknowledge it.
Fifth, stop with the “but I was here longer” whining. There are plenty of turds who have been floating in the same spot for forever...back to why many will never see an NCO rank.
Respectfully...now I will admit a bit of Corps bias. ALL our E4s are Corporals. We don’t have the (imo stupidity) of an alternate (pay you more without giving you NCO responsibilities) crap.
(0)
(0)
Read This Next
CPL
Corporal
11C: Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
