Posted on Feb 11, 2022
Can a corporal in a team leader position have me do corrective action (“smoke” me)? And was I wrong to tell him to eat a bag of dicks?
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
CPL
Corporal
11C: Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
Edited 5 mo ago
Posted 4 y ago
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You handled it wrong. You told an NCO to eat a bag of dicks, you should've just went hooah and took him to the side later with the receipts of why you were right.... respectfully. Jesus the fact that you even asked this makes me worried.
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I see a art 15 in your future. Maybe time to learn how to tactical correct him
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Wow can’t believe this was an actual question!! But I guess not to be expected from the new softer army these days. Guess that’s why there’s little discipline anymore. I guess it’s unheard of to be smoked anymore, probably too hard on these softies.
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Now you know there are former military members that come from the "REAL" before you could even say the words "eat a bag of dicks" you would have been in the woodline conducting training. On the flip side of this I get what your saying and I'm sure there is more to this however, you know better to say this. He is an NCO. A Jr. NCO is treated with the same respect as a Sr. NCO. Ask yourself would you have said this to CSM or CSM of The Army? My advice is to take the Corporal to the side (if you haven't done it all ready) and sincerely apologize. I may not make a difference at all but at least your trying to mend the situation. You need to take a ccountability for what you done and said and man up to that and use this a teachable moment. I hope all works out well in this. Keep us updated.
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Regardless of who was correct, you were wrong. I was known as easy going among the men under me, but if someone gave me a line like that, I probably would have smoked them boot camp style. Did I come up against my superiors, heck yea, and more than once, but I did it disrespectfully, and made sure I was ready to give the reason, and site at least the reg if not quote it.
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So if you were in a firefight and were given an order, will you give the same response? What if you were in the Corporal's predicament
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You were definitely wrong. Should have done what you were told to do and then you could have taken your complaint up the chain. What about those younger troops that were looking to you for an example? Would you like it if they treated you like that? You would have had a lot more trouble on your hands than doing some push ups if it would have been me you said it to. If this is what is allowed to happen in our military today it is no wonder the military branches are having problems.
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Hard core is good for survival in battle but sucks in garrison. You could have made a few points with him of you had instead followed instructions, then found a quiet moment afterwards, pulled out the manual and showed him where he had made his mistake.
Food for thought, if you are asking the question, you already know the answer. A Corporal has hard stripes. You were wrong, and if you are as good as you think you are, you might have had a chance to be a corporal, but that ship may have sailed.
Food for thought, if you are asking the question, you already know the answer. A Corporal has hard stripes. You were wrong, and if you are as good as you think you are, you might have had a chance to be a corporal, but that ship may have sailed.
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My short answer is YES. You are of lesser rank. You have no other option.
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