Posted on Feb 11, 2022
SPC 11 C Indirect Fire A Infantryman
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.

Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.

I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
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CPL Matt James
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No, as a retired corporal (yes, retired), we are the hall monitors of the E4 mafia. In the army, it's a rank where E5+ can dump the boring tasks to us. All the SNCOs in this thread just don't want the truth to get out.
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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Hi cpl I was a sp4 medic 3id hhb div. In my day very seldom did you see a medic that was a corprol, I don't know if you remember the spc 6 lol. I went to places with some cpl. I guess depends on the unit, hey in the field I was squad leader. And you are right E-4 cpl or sp4 are the catch all. My section sgt was a drunk so I went to the field field and took charge, because he was on his way out.
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SSG Robert Cole
SSG Robert Cole
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You're wrong. Might want to read into regulations. Especially AR 27-10. Insubordination is insubordination. I won many of these arguments as a corporal. No wonder you never went higher. There are many volumes from FM's to AR's that support this. Guess you have to crack a book and read as in the military knowledge is power.
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CPL Matt James
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SSG Robert Cole you must be fun at parties. It wasn’t a serious reply ;)
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CPL C Williams
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You must have lost your mind. A Cpl is an NCO rank. Second those who are Cpl's are considered outstanding soldiers who have shown a high degree maturity and a great attention to detail in the performance of their duties. As stated earlier you should have been brought up on UCMJ.
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11c Nco here, I would have to say you are in the right. As the experienced gunner, that is your gun and the way the gun operates is determined by you and only you. Don’t be afraid to tell an nco they are wrong. Even a… cpl lol
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SSG Robert Cole
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WTH? Being a 13B the Chief of Section is in charge, 2nd is the Ammo Team Chief. Gunner is nothing but the person that aims the device. And in the grand scheme of things is 3rd in the chain. As for Mech Inf, he would be 2nd. Wow! No wonder the military is so fucked. Glad I retired when I did. No way would a SPC be in charge of anything unless there was no one else left. Undisciplined, self-righteous and an Out House Attorney. Many thought they knew it, and when it came time for some traction, they lost.
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CPL Patrick Fullan
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Should have told him to eat two bags of dicks. Assclown was on a power trip.
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Corporals are learning to be Sergeants, and even Sergeants screw things up. That's just something you live with and try and work with them on. Should he have tried to lock you up and drop you? Probably not, something he'll learn to gauge as an NCO going forward.

Should you have told him to eat a bag of dicks? I don't think I've used that exact verbiage, but I have been disrespectful when disrespected so I can understand the urge and yes it is funny. This however would be better handled on a sideline discussion, you being a "senior" Specialist having more experience can and should be assisting a Corporal in their instruction.

The situation is salvageable, you have the knowledge he doesn't. Use that to help him and your team succeed and let him know that that's all you want to do is ensure you all succeed.
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CPL Earl Kochis
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Last time i checked He better be dropping with you! If not I believe he cannot smoke you. Now as far ss your comment that shouldn’t have been said it’s disrespectful. If he was completely wrong then as a soldier you have thr ssme responsibility as a NCO and should have pulled him to the side and taught him the right way and if that didn’t work go to his first line Superviser and get those attitudes corrected. Power trips need to be nipped quickly for a new NCO to become a great NCO.
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MSG William Wold
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There’s always someone placed in authority over you. Being disrespectful to that authority can get you in trouble. Sometimes rank means nothing. Like my stepson. Major in the Air Force. Was assigned to the Pentagon. Totally in charge of a section. A 4 star general had a meeting with the entire staff in that section. Introducing him. General says he in charge and what he says goes. If you have a problem with his rank or even date of rank you can request transfer, or resign but you will not question his authority. There were 2 LT Colonels, 2 Colonels, even a one star general in the midst along with a couple dozen enlisted but nothing below Sgt.. 3 months later he was promoted to LT Colonel. I know some take the rank and dare of rank seriously, like two corporals with a date of rank two days difference arguing on who out ranks the other.
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1SG Marcus Whitfield
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If there is a safety violation then by all means call it out, Safety first, Rank second, Disrespecting a NCO in front of God and everybody can be punishable under UCMJ. You had the high ground when it came to safety Plt Leader, 1SG, CSM, CO, but you lost all credibility regardless of how " high speed low drag" you are. Take your licks and learn unfortunately it might be the hard way.
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Cpl Jeff Ruffing
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Ok, I get what you’re saying. It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. My first question is, was the order he gave in compliance to the fire mission given? I spent sometime as an 0341. I was on Gun 4 which was used to dial in a fire mission. Given the fact you were on Gun 2, in my experience, would have fired under the FO’s direction to the FDC. Some I’m a bit confused. Did he or didn’t he give you a contradictory order to what came from the FDC? The problem is, you challenged an NCO in front of his troops. That is a no no. You don’t challenge ANY superior in front of troops. Don’t get into my co@k is bigger than yours situation because it is a losing battle. You could have called a “check fire” and settled it in a more amicable manner. ANY mortarman is allowed to call check fire if they see an unsafe action. If you’re wrong, you get a little blow back, which suck it up, it’s normal in the Corps. However, if you’re right, you may have to deal with that person trying to get revenge. It’s a sh@t sandwich that happens in the Corps on a regular basis. So, to answer your question, yes, you were dead wrong. You need to put your ego aside, and figure out how to handle that situation differently. I have to congratulate you. You have now put a target on your back with this NCO. I would suggest you doing a public apology to this NCO, in front of the troops that you challenge him in. Tell him you were wrong in what you said, it was unprofessional, and yadda, yadda, yadda.
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