Posted on Mar 20, 2019
Can a Drill sergeant search you and only you without permission?
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I’m here at AIT and I have this drill sergeant that absolutely hates everything me and another person in our platoon does the first 2 weeks we did get off on the wrong hand but I just wasn’t use to the freedom coming fresh out of basic I told her that and I’ve been staying under the radar for a while but she just looks for any and everything to chow us out about or give us a counseling so today we had a random room expectation and our rooms got trashed me and the guy she hates also so what she did was thrower everything out our drawers and brought the females to our room and told them that this is how we live and we’re dirty so she took our phones and a couple more guys I gave her a phone but she said I had more than one phone so she made me open my locker and searched through my bags in my locked locker with no permission and found a old phone I was wrong for not turning it in but everyone is telling me to go talk to my 1Sgt because it wasn’t right how I was the only one that got searched and she was never given permission to search any of my personal belongings she just decided to and made me open my locker should I talk to my first sergeant about this? Or is this just something I should just deal with 8 more weeks because I think she is trying to get me put out and I can’t take it
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First of all, you need to learn how to write properly. Your entire post was nothing but run-on sentences and mis-spelled words. I think your post is about how you feel that your DS is wrong and you are right. Go ahead and listen to your friends and see the First Sergeant. You can expect that the 1SG will have the Drill Sergeant's back (hopefully). I just retired with 32 years of service. In my last years I have noticed how you "new" recruits are weak and sensitive. You feel entitled and resist authority. The Army has regulations and discipline for people like you! If you think you are being treated bad, DON'T get caught doing the wrong things and expect good will come of it. If you don't like being told what to do then get out! You volunteered, nobody forced you. You can get out anytime.
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Something you should realize about the military system. You have enlisted in a system that YOU ARE REQUIRED to change your whole life based on the way WE OPERATE, not us change for you, and unfortunately even though you consider that the DI might be out of line, the system YOU entered is set up for a specific reason. That reason is to teach you to take and OBEY directions without hesitation, not lie, cheat or steal, hide other phones etc. and survive in combat, which is the reason you signed up in the ARMED SERVICES.
You can complain all you want, but a recommendation is quit being a whiner, get with the program and stop trying to be an individual, this is not what we do. One day when you grow up in the future and are in a position of responsibility you will understand what it means to take and give orders that are to be obeyed. This is not the civilian world you left. This is the real world.
You can complain all you want, but a recommendation is quit being a whiner, get with the program and stop trying to be an individual, this is not what we do. One day when you grow up in the future and are in a position of responsibility you will understand what it means to take and give orders that are to be obeyed. This is not the civilian world you left. This is the real world.
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Heed the advice the SFC is giving you. If your in AIT and haven't fallen into the Army way of discipline than you should repeat basic. As many of the other comments state below, your in the military, not some liberal college where they complain that someone "looked at me wrong" boo hoo waa! Your expected to act like an adult. Your treated like every other soldier. You are not privileged, you were not "singled out" during your inspection. The job of the DS is to make a soldier out of you. Bringing in the females to berate you in front of your peers... maybe not the best move. Maybe the humility will keep you from re offending? Hopefully you learn from your mistakes. Maybe, you should knock on your DS office door and request to speak and express your desire to be a better soldier and apologize for not being forthcoming with your second phone. You may still not have phone privileges but will show a bit of maturity on your part. Someday if your in the military long enough you will be expected to lead others. ALL WAYS DRESS AND ACT ACCORDING TO THE JOB YOU ASPIRE TO. If your a private and aspire to be a Sargent, act like a Sargent. Take charge when things need to get done. Don't hide behind your buddy not to be picked. It is ok to stand out in a positive way. Best of luck and thank you for your service.
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The army doesn't pay you to have feelings so suck it up do your job. On another note your barracks lawyers know shit about UCMJ or army policies so go ahead and run to your 1SG while your there go ahead and give him your wallet as you will soon not have need for it.
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You think your DS doesn’t have permission to single you out for a search after you’ve broken rules? Oh bless your little millennial heart!
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Your Drill instructor can search your room, and yourself, if he or she either believes or has been told by someone else in your squad,(ie Barracks/Dorm that you have contraband in your possession that could cause harm to any personal, but she or he should have a MP/SP with her while the search is being conducted, don't know about the phone issue, that's something we weren't confronted with back in the 70's when I went through basic and AIT.
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All sarcasm aside. You signed that line. Stop being a twat stop breaking rules and live up to the standard. Otherwise, ask for an amnesty period in which way you can’t not conform or adapt to military life and go home. Normally I look for a way to be positive but it’s your way of seeing things and looking for a way out that’ll get someone else in trouble hurt or killed. Man or woman up, understand that I’m the service you don’t have freedoms of a civilian anymore you signed those away and that this is a tight knit well oiled machine larger than yourself. You are but a small part and if you can’t get over yourself don’t be the weak link that drags the rest of your brethren down. Most on here fought tooth and nail to make it through. I fought medical retirement and surgeries. Seeing this belly aching and weak character boils my blood because you got an opportunity I was willing to forgo my later years to keep and your kissing ahd moaning over 8 weeks of learning respect discipline customs and courtesies and mind games to which you have already broken and lost. They’re meant to dig and pry and push, those who give in get out. Maybe not now a days but be thankful your in good health to do something with yourself. Otherwise get lost and give up the slot to someone who actually deserves it and won’t waste it.
Side note. There’s no probable cause. You get searched you get searched. Happens to actual operational junior enlisted, NCO corps senior enlisted. Morale and wellness are the forefront of unit cohesion. Translation, is your owner by your branch now. Don’t leave any room for suspicion and own your mistakes and you won’t put up with much. Fight complain and show weakness and you’ll be breakfast lunch and dinner. Don’t give people ammo to fu** with you and they won’t.
Side note. There’s no probable cause. You get searched you get searched. Happens to actual operational junior enlisted, NCO corps senior enlisted. Morale and wellness are the forefront of unit cohesion. Translation, is your owner by your branch now. Don’t leave any room for suspicion and own your mistakes and you won’t put up with much. Fight complain and show weakness and you’ll be breakfast lunch and dinner. Don’t give people ammo to fu** with you and they won’t.
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So if I'm reading your post correctly you fit the criteria for a pattern of misconduct. If you turned to RP for sympathy you've come to the wrong place. It would also appear as though you're listening to one too many barracks lawyers. Sure you could approach the 1SG with your complaints but I'd imagine it would fall on dead ears. You've already proven you can't abide by rules and regulations
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I just read your post to my LTC(Ret) former Battallion Commander husband. His advice is this...Do everything the 1Sgt tells you. Do not challenge them. They are a 1Sgt. for a reason. And even crusty old LTC commanders listen to their 1Sgt. That being said, be safe and remember Army life is only as hard as you make it. You will develop friendships that will last your entire life.
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You joined the Army. Your Drill Sergeant has every right to trash your locker, your room and your personal space. You are a soldier. You are supposed to follow orders. If you don't, there will have a price to pay. A word of advice, start trying to "Be All You Can Be." Be a model soldier. You will find that leads to the easiest path for you. There is no flying under the radar unless you are an under-achiever that can stay out of trouble. If you do the best that you can always, then your next few years will be easy. If you don't want to cooperate and follow instructions, then your next few years will be hard and un-rewarding. The choice is yours. You made a choice to join the Army and serve your country. That was honorable. Now, you should decide to conduct yourself honorably in your service.
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Oh, those pesky Rules and Regulations. You obviously feel you have the right to pick and choose which ones you obey and ones you don’t. If you don’t understand by now why they exist, I expect you will have a short career. You are being judged constantly by everyone around you as well as the Cadre training has you. Do you apply yourself a hundred percent or are you a half stepper. Can you be relied upon in Combat or is your ability and judgment in question? No one wants to fight beside anyone they can’t depend on 100%. If you fudge on the little things, you will also do it on the big ones. You need to step back and take a long look at who you are and why you’re there.
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Short and easy answer her, future Soldier: She is an NCO, so yes. The rest of the answer: She's your Drill Sergeant. She went through more hell than YOU can handle to be in her trusted position. Her seniors, from the Senior DS to the commander, to the POTUS has entrusted their authority to her. You're a trainee, and trainees must EARN that trust, as did she.
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Hey, I'm an old Drill. Let me tell you something. Your DS knows the rules and regulations much better than you do. Don't challenge her. Just do what you're suppose to do and you'll be fine. Don't do what you're suppose to do and you'll lose. Keep your mouth shut. It keeps others from seeing how stupid you are. Put the effort in and the Drill will see it. It's all about attitude. Plus, go to your First Sergeant and he see the snowflake your parents raised. It's like going to mommy. Be strong. Be an individual. The service is making something out of you. Take advantage of it.
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You should get out of Army and into something that doesn't require discipline, Army needs no one like you.
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Consider yourself lucky. My AIT was 56 weeks long. Thats not a typo. FIFTY-SIX weeks. I think you can handle eight. Just stop f*cking up and listen to the DS. She is there to teach you, you offer her nothing to learn.
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As a Retired MP, your DS has every right to search all your items! If the DS feels that you have something that you shouldn’t they will ask you to open it, if you don’t get ready! Plus if you’re DS feels that you have something dangerous the MP’s will open it for your DS! To me you have made yourself a huge target for whatever you did repeatedly! I think that you might want to look for something else to do with your life; cause you’re going to get someone killed!
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OMG. Man up soldier and follow instructions. You were wrong for not turning in your phone. Stop whining to us ole timers and do what you're told. AIT will be over soon enough.....
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