Posted on Mar 5, 2018
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Can a junior enlisted soldier deny corrective action if it is going to be wrongfully used. In my cases I was told by a SFC that I did not have to participate in doing something because I had already done my part and I had just finished a 4 hour guard duty. Then a lower ranking NCO precisted on trying to make me do it when I denied I was I immediately told to do corrective action instead of being asked why I was refusing. Now I’m being negatively counseled and/or further action and I am looking for anything that can help state my case I have no problem with doing what I’m told I just have a problem with being giving wrongful corrective action.
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Maj John Bell
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If the SFC is in your chain of command, what he says takes precedent, and you should refer the NCO to the SFC. If the SFC isn't in your chain of command and the lower ranking NCO is, do what the NCO in your chain of command told you to do, then explain.
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SGT Eric Davis
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I concur!
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PO2 Ron Gunsolus
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obey first... explain after you have begun complying... very straightforward
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Carry out your last order first, unless it is an unlawful one or someone senior has countermanded it.

Edit: Learn from mistakes, both yours and those of others. If you are an NCO you will remember this and know what to/not to do. The NCO undercut the authority of a SFC and that was wrong unless lives were at stake. He should be getting a one way conversation from the SFC so he learns too. That's assuming the SFC was in your Chain of Command or was filling a billet that gave him the authority to excuse you.

It gets trickier when seniors from other units order folks not in their unit. Technically they have the authority due to seniority, but unless he has spoken with your counterpart leader - one SFC to another, he has a lot of explaining to do to your SFC. Unless you have been appointed over another unit, you don't interfere except in extreme situations. That's how folks get black eyes, if you have strong leadership. You don't feed another man's dogs or discipline his kids unless the situation warrants or he asks you to. At your level you carry out your last order and notify your CofC later.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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As a senior NCO if I told you to do something and one of my team leaders told you to do something different than what I had just told you, I would support the decision of what the team leader told you to do. If I heard you questioned him, or used me as an excuse, I would smoke you too. Being a private is the easiest job in the Army. Do what your told. I don't care if you think you've done your part. Keep doing it until someone with some strips whether it be two or six tells you other wise.
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
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Sorry my typing sucks tonight
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MSG Castaneda: maybe I missed your point, but it sounds to me like you just said you'd throw a PFC under the bus for following your direction instead of one of your team leaders? When I was a company CO and I told someone to do something, I expected them to do it. If one of my subordinate leaders countermanded my orders and told them to do something different, then that subordinate leader better have a damn good reason for doing so or they would be the one getting smoked. In either case, I'm not going to smoke a PFC for following the directions given by the senior ranking NCO. Sounds like there is a lack of communication somewhere and that is not the fault of the PFC.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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LTC (Join to see) your subordinate Leander’s should be pushing your policy. If they are not, then you have a break in communication in you company. Howeve, if a leader tells a private to do something and he responds with that’s not what the commander said then yes the private is wrong. Thus leading to a smoke session. Last time I checked officers don’t smoke Soldiers. NCOs smoke Soldiers. I take that back, no one smoke anyone anymore.
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