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I have a Solider on my deployment that isn't happy about being recommended for an AAM for an EOT award for this deployment. I feel they deserve an ARCOM, but I wasn't the one who wrote their award recommendation. The Soldier stated they don't even want the AAM. Can they refuse it? PFC (Join to see) SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SSG (Join to see) Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish
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Sure, but it's all fun and games until they miss cutoff by one point and the AAM would have put them over...
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SFC Steven Borders
Amen to that SFC Michael Hasbun when I was on active I was chomping at the bit for every point I would get. That's an extra 15 points right there.
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Can they? Yea. They can refuse to walk up to the Commander when their name is called. That won't look good later on, though.
That being said, I would like to know the back story on this one. Why does the Soldier not want the AAM? What is their MOS and what was their actual job during deployment? What's their rank? Why do you feel they deserve and ARCOM?
That being said, I would like to know the back story on this one. Why does the Soldier not want the AAM? What is their MOS and what was their actual job during deployment? What's their rank? Why do you feel they deserve and ARCOM?
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Okay I get where you are coming from given that point of view. Perhaps I read the message differently than you intended. I agree with you completely from that point of view!CPL Brian Moseley
CPL Brian Moseley
SSG Clint Underhill - No worries, SSG.. hard to read people's tone on the internet sometimes. Stay safe bro
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That is very true! I’m glad we could figure it out though like professionals. Have a blessed day brother CPL Brian Moseley
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Advise him or her that if they intend to stay in, that's not a good thing to do
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MSgt Don VandeBogert
Ain't that the truth.
As a matter of personal integrity I refused to write my own MSMs at 3 separate assignments although I knew it would adversely affect my promotion eligibility/points when the board met. For me, it was simply questioning my leaders integrity. If you feel I'm deserving of an award, thank you. Go write it and I'm happy to assist. If you don't think I'm deserving, no hard feelings, even if your too lazy to nominate me let alone write it.
At the end I have plenty of fruit salad to display in my shadow box and proud of each one I earned.
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As a matter of personal integrity I refused to write my own MSMs at 3 separate assignments although I knew it would adversely affect my promotion eligibility/points when the board met. For me, it was simply questioning my leaders integrity. If you feel I'm deserving of an award, thank you. Go write it and I'm happy to assist. If you don't think I'm deserving, no hard feelings, even if your too lazy to nominate me let alone write it.
At the end I have plenty of fruit salad to display in my shadow box and proud of each one I earned.
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Sadly rank typically is the largest factor when it comes to end of tour awards. We had a few junior enlisted that ran our mail operations and that’s all that they did for 9 months. They both received ARCOMs. That was our leadership and their style though. I would assume it’s less on what the soldier did, and more on the leadership and their style.
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SSG Clint Underhill - I can say this, I spent most of my time at KAF, 3 man team but every time we went to BAF, this was our LTC's routine, come in about 8:30, leave about 10:30 to 11:00, saying she was going to lunch and gym, ( she was going to her room and sleeping) because that is where they would find her anytime they needed to find her. Come back to the office around 1:30. leave at 4:30 to head back and be in line for the chow hall to open. Go to room and sleep.
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It’s funny to me how some people just don’t see this. From what I’ve heard over the years, it’s nearly everyone’s experience. SSG Nathan Stryker
MAJ Byron Oyler
I have every bit seen an enlisted get an AAM that an officer doing the same work would get an ARCOM. I have fought and still seen people in awards think they lose something out of their pockets giving a junior enlisted an ARCOM instead of an AAM.
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Sir I’m very glad you said this, because I believe it to being 100% accurate, but most officers won’t admit it. I had a company commander deny a NCO a MSM a few months back and that commander literally said to the NCOs face, “why would you get a MSM for PCSing if that is the award I’m getting?” It’s said that rank is tied to awards. I truly believe that anyone who disagrees with this is probably a high ranking officer or enlisted NCO that doesn’t have that worry. MAJ Byron Oyler
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A recipient has no say in the award, their signature block is not on the 638.
An ARCOM is approved by a COL. That COL needs to see positive impact and/or influence across their BDE level mission during the period of the award, whether that impact was truly throughout the BDE, or the impact on that BN enhanced the BDE mission.
Publicly refusing an award because the recipient felt they "deserved better", whether that means skipping the ceremony or constantly bitching about it is a bad look.
The commander and sr NCOs will remember that. Anyone that has to listen to it will remember that, and that will become the more memorable detail of that Soldier's reputation, rather than how he performed on that deployment.
Take the award with grace and dignity, and those that believe the Soldier deserved a higher award will still know that.
An ARCOM is approved by a COL. That COL needs to see positive impact and/or influence across their BDE level mission during the period of the award, whether that impact was truly throughout the BDE, or the impact on that BN enhanced the BDE mission.
Publicly refusing an award because the recipient felt they "deserved better", whether that means skipping the ceremony or constantly bitching about it is a bad look.
The commander and sr NCOs will remember that. Anyone that has to listen to it will remember that, and that will become the more memorable detail of that Soldier's reputation, rather than how he performed on that deployment.
Take the award with grace and dignity, and those that believe the Soldier deserved a higher award will still know that.
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Write up the award recommendation yourself, if you believe the soldier merits it. Make sure you have the bullets that prove your point
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
TSgt (Join to see) it's not too late, you can send it up to next level. Your chain of command will see one of two things, they will think you are nuts or you care about your soldiers
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I can't. I just found out today and they were due by 30th of June for EOT awards. They will not even accept now.
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
SSG(P) (Join to see) does your brigade commander have an open door policy? If so, if this means anything to you, talk to him or her
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The solider can do what they want but that is not the question. The real question is will the Solider see any punishment, blow back or retribution if they continue to show their backside over an award getting downgraded. The answer is a resounding yes. This isn't high school. You can't stomp your feet and throw a temper tantrum because you didn't letter in a varsity sport. I understand the scenario as I was a Sgt who got submitted for a Commendation medal and it was downgraded solely because I didn't have a rocker under my cross rifles and the powers that be felt it would cause waves among my peers within the unit regardless that I did the work to warrant it. It is what it is but the solution isn't throwing a fit and pissing on what the Command is willing to award. It is still a notch on their belt that will count towards promotion and assist their career. It'd not worth the smoke to try to refuse it. It's just like the myth of refusing orders to an undesirable duty station. It is something you can do but it is not worth doing when you consider what will be a result of your actions
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Dont give them the award then... I have never heard of someone complaining about not getting a high enough award. Not from my units anyway.
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