Posted on Apr 8, 2021
Can academic dishonesty on a 1059 ruin your army career?
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SGT (Join to see) What do you think? Should academic or any dishonesty be cause to ruin a military career? Would that dishonesty occur again? In a crucial setting?
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Thanks for you input I was wrongly accused of this so I can guess my fate and my chances of rebounding from this. I have never been in this type of situation my 7 years in so I am very concerned.
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SMSgt Bob W.
Yes, No, and Maybe. Was the documentation based on fact? Opinion? Dumb mistake? Did someone accuse you of plagiarism? [Dumb mistake, maybe]. Did you turn in someone's project as your own? [Stupid error; stealing]. Were you "out and out" cheating? [fatal error, good luck in your new career].
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Is the alleged infraction actually been counseled and annotated on the 1059? If there was a valid accusation, there should have been some sort of appearance before peers and cadre, program manager, or similar NCO academy leadership with a chance to refute the charges. Most of the times, academic dishonesty results in dismissal from the course and a referred 1059. That's why I am asking about this accusation
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1SG (Join to see) I was given a counseling and a letter of referral. I was told that my 1059 with in 24 hours and will be covered by my plt Sgt since I am a MOS-T. I am tracking that I can submit comments on my 1059 which I will since the counseling doesn't reflect what actuly happened. Since it is a non academic drop I can never return to this school which is devastating to me but also I am worried that this will be a career ender.
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Yes. Academic dishonesty is unbecoming of a Soldier and is cheating. So if you do it you're lying which is punishable by UCMJ. Although I don't know if you'll get UCMJ for it, but good luck ever getting promoted or going to school again.
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Than you for your input I was not cheating but I was accused of going against a student honor code. I have never been dishonest in my 7 years of service and have never be in a situation like this so i am concerned for my career.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGT (Join to see) - Honor Code violation can mean a lot of things and it should have included counseling statements to what the offense was about. Did you respond to the accusation and deny the charge? Who is the final arbitrator of this decision and have you spoken with that person?
I am a firm believer in standing up for yourself. Yes, I understand that sometimes it isn't easy. I've butted heads with senior staff before that I took the BN CO. I am not of the opinion that you win every time, even if you are right, but the outcome is generally as bad if you don't.
I just left the clasps off my bars when I walked in, makes it easier if the Commander wanted them ;^). I came out with them every time.
I am a firm believer in standing up for yourself. Yes, I understand that sometimes it isn't easy. I've butted heads with senior staff before that I took the BN CO. I am not of the opinion that you win every time, even if you are right, but the outcome is generally as bad if you don't.
I just left the clasps off my bars when I walked in, makes it easier if the Commander wanted them ;^). I came out with them every time.
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CPT Lawrence Cable input. You for your input. I was ask by a fellow student how I did on a test and I replied this I have to retest because I screwed up the math. In our honor code counseling it says not to speak about the test so I had integrity and told the truth. But from all these comments I have read sir is that the army truly doesn't care about integrity after the fact that you made a mistake. My other take away I got from these comments is that if this effects my career then there is no place for me in the army any more 7 years of living by the army values gone.
I apologize for the rant thankyou for you insite.
I apologize for the rant thankyou for you insite.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGT (Join to see) Don't judge the Army by some of these responses. The reason I questioned further is because enforcement can often go beyond the original intent of the policy. I would ask for an open door with the person actually in charge and lay out my side/case. If you get told tough, you are no worse off than before. Always remember that it ain't over until the fat lady sings. Life isn't always fair, but it certainly is if you don't have the balls to swing back.
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Yes, there is no gray area cheating in academics, fudging a little on an APFT. It can’t be tolerated, what’s next?
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Any dishonesty or deception isn't going to help any career including the Army. If You can't produce Your own work on your own honest effort it seems Your career is already doomed to failure. You may fool people for awhile in some instances but it always will catch up with you.
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SFC (Join to see) thank you. I always trust you knowledge with every question I ask on here. I have been very stressed and losing sleep over this.
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SSG Bill McCoy thanks for your input. I was the only one punished the other two was given a warning. I have been stressed and a little depressed about this situation. I know that I am a good soldier and that I know write from wrong it just hurts to know I will never be able to attempt my dream and that I will have to put that dream behind me.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SGT (Join to see) - Well, as someone else noted, it should only affect your ability to get into EOD, and not your career overall. If it's beyond trying to rectify, put it behind you and move on. You certainly sound like a dedicated soldier so just know that bumps in the road of life prepare you for the next obstacle and make you stronger. Experience can sometimes be a cruel teacher so learn from it.
What's important regarding your experience is how your home unit now views you. Hopefully, they will (or have) accepted your explanation.
What's important regarding your experience is how your home unit now views you. Hopefully, they will (or have) accepted your explanation.
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SSG Bill McCoy thank you. I am a very dedicated soldier I try to do my best by the army values. I will keep striving to be a better person than I was yesterday.
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Of course it can. As for how it makes, or wether it makes it to your records depends on which course it is. NCOES, a great chance that it makes your records. If it is a more mundane program it will not make your record, but you are subject to UCMJ, that would definitely make your records. I hope you did not cheat, and that this is you being inquisitive, maybe about something you heard and don’t trust. None the less, you should not cheat in any manner.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara Thank you for your input. I did not cheat what happened was I was asked from another student how I did on a test and because I was stressed and not thinking clearly I told him I had to retest because I screwed up the math. Talking about the test went against the honor code so I ruined my chances of ever becoming a EOD Tech. So now I need to find a new purpose for myself in the army.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
That sounds harsh, not the determination on the code, that is in some cases subjective. If I were you I would appeal the decision. While you discussed the exam, you did not reveal anything other than you had a rough time of it. There is a Commandant or Commander that you should be able to appeal too. Tell them of your desire and dream. SGT (Join to see)
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CSM Darieus ZaGara I was told that there is not way to appeal the decision. The only thing I can do is accept and sign the 1059.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
There is always someone you can speak with. You need to ask to speak to the commander or Commandant. If you don’t you may always regret not having tried. SGT (Join to see)
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Lying is always wrong. Unless your wife asks, “does this dress make my butt look big”.
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My wife looks good in a dress.
PS
My wife looks good in a dress.
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