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CW4
Posted >1 y ago
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Absolutely, it's not going to do anything but he is free to give him whatever piece of paper he wants. In response, I would anticipate a verbal counseling from the CW4 to the E7 on how things actually work as he seems to have lost himself along the way. (I also like the origami idea)
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I let a SSG counsel me a MAJ in the 10th Mountain WTB.
I retired as a MAJ with 14 yrs in the Army through the Wounded Warrior Battalion. I was assigned a SSG as my Squad Leader/Cadre. I was suffering mentally and physically on many levels and was almost always just on time or late for formation. I was verbally corrected multiple times by my squad leader but didn't care, I just couldn't get out of bed in the AM. Also, partially because I knew I was being retired in a few weeks. The last time I was late, my SSG had a prepared counseling form with all my info on it. I was more impressed that he had put in effor to square me away elevating verbal to written. Long story short, I signed it, and yes it worked, and it was the ONLY counseling statement in my shortened career that I ever received.
I knew I was wrong, I was assigned a leader who was subordinate in rank to help get me to all my medical appointments, I let him down when I should have been on time. Could I have thrown it in the trash? Of course, but then I know the BN CDR was the only one who could have counseled me in the WTB "correctly" I knew she was a busy woman with over 300 Wounded Wariors in her unit, so to save time I ate crow and corrected myself. If I wasn't wrong I wouldn't have let the session take place.
Anyway, The Army took great care of me and I retired at 100Army/100VA which came to a tax exempt figure of %75 of my 0-4 active duty paycheck. If you are wounded I recommend going through a WTB/WTU rather than your regular MEB in your unit. This assures your VA ratings are assessed and ready when you get out.
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I retired as a MAJ with 14 yrs in the Army through the Wounded Warrior Battalion. I was assigned a SSG as my Squad Leader/Cadre. I was suffering mentally and physically on many levels and was almost always just on time or late for formation. I was verbally corrected multiple times by my squad leader but didn't care, I just couldn't get out of bed in the AM. Also, partially because I knew I was being retired in a few weeks. The last time I was late, my SSG had a prepared counseling form with all my info on it. I was more impressed that he had put in effor to square me away elevating verbal to written. Long story short, I signed it, and yes it worked, and it was the ONLY counseling statement in my shortened career that I ever received.
I knew I was wrong, I was assigned a leader who was subordinate in rank to help get me to all my medical appointments, I let him down when I should have been on time. Could I have thrown it in the trash? Of course, but then I know the BN CDR was the only one who could have counseled me in the WTB "correctly" I knew she was a busy woman with over 300 Wounded Wariors in her unit, so to save time I ate crow and corrected myself. If I wasn't wrong I wouldn't have let the session take place.
Anyway, The Army took great care of me and I retired at 100Army/100VA which came to a tax exempt figure of %75 of my 0-4 active duty paycheck. If you are wounded I recommend going through a WTB/WTU rather than your regular MEB in your unit. This assures your VA ratings are assessed and ready when you get out.
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If the E7 has no tact I suppose he could, but a face to face conversation showing respect would be the correct route. This should be done in the same manner as a SPC who needs to address an issue with a SFC.
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I don't think it's a good idea. I would have a conversation with the supervisor of CW4 the and leave the decision to them.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
SFC Matt Ziemba - that's like saying your lack of breasts discredits anything you say about women - oh, wait a sec, I guess that's true! LOL!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SFC Matt Ziemba - Some of us were in the Air Force long enough ago We actually worked for some Air Force Warrant Officers. I did, and He was a CWO (W4) in the USAF.
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I was interviewed for a job. The interviewer said I think we have a go. But, first I have to ask, I am known to sometimes cuss when dealing with people. Can you handle that? I relied under one condition. He looked worried and asked what was that. I said if you cuss once I am allowed to cuss twice. I got the job.
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No. Plain and simple. Any CWO that would actually sit down for a counseling should have his/her head examined.
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CW4 Larry Curtis
But WO1s, now that's a completely different situation since they are not technically CWOs. I used to call mine "Spot"...but I was a CW4 not a Senior NCO. And I was more into wall-to-wall counselling instead of the written stuff. ;)
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CW2 George Lansford
Don't completely disagree, however, he/she is still an officer and any performance or event based counseling should given by an officer senior to him/her in his CoC.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
That would work bout as well as a E7 trying to give a written Counseling l to an E8 or E9, that's not going to happen either let alone a Warrant Officer or Chief Warrant Officer. Believe Me if an E7 attempted to do that to Me He would very quickly become educated on what He can and can't do. I' haven't however ever run into anyone stupid enough to even think of it let alone try !
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CW4 (Join to see)
We only appear when it's hitting the fan and we need to fix the problem.
No, but we really do exist. At least I think I did last time I checked.
No, but we really do exist. At least I think I did last time I checked.
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SFC Justin Gragg
They often magically appear shortly after their retirement to share their war stories with fellow service members. ;)
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It would be amusing to see him try......
A CW4 is a commissioned officer. NCO's do not give counseling statements to superiors. They can do general on the spot corrections, but if it is something that would require a counseling, that E-7 needs to go to the commander.
A CW4 is a commissioned officer. NCO's do not give counseling statements to superiors. They can do general on the spot corrections, but if it is something that would require a counseling, that E-7 needs to go to the commander.
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LTC Paul Labrador
CW4 Brian Haas - this dude might have gotten away with it had the officer he wanted to counsel was a 2LT..... ;o)
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CW4 Brian Haas
I think I would have actually lost my mind in that case instead of being so amused. I did meet a 2LT at Hood one time that saluted me. I returned it...then asked him why he did. He looked at me like I was the crazy one. Said because I was a Warrant Officer. Turned out he had a Warrant in his unit playing with him. I helped him turn it around. Fun and games is one thing, but sometimes we damage our own selves by just pissing off other officers to where they dislike or don't trust Warrants. But this one did have that LT hook, line, and sinker!!
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SSG Howard Owens
When I first went in, I had a E-5 take me under his wing, going from the mail room to the PX we passed a 2nd Lt and didn't salute. He stopped us and wanted to know if we had seen him and why we didn't salute. The E-5 told him post reg (what ever it was he said) didn't allow us to salute 2nd Lt's. He looked confused and left. I am pretty sure he went somewhere to check it out. Lucky for me he never saw me or my hero again. lol
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Bout the only way it could affect you is if he rolled in up and poked you in the eye with it
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