Posted on May 11, 2023
Can I be denied receiving a 'Go' for a promotion board if I accidentally use gender pronouns? Should I get the IG involved?
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I recently just attended the E-5 promotion board and absolutely nailed it. Uniform, confidence, presence was on point. Answered questions correctly and to the best of my ability. Walked out of the board feeling like a million bucks. I am waiting for my sponsor to come out, and he says I received a 'No-Go' because on the first question I was asked I referred to a soldier as "he should" instead of "the soldier should." This apparently was the decision that prevented me from being promotable according to my sponsor, despite answering the other 9 questions I was asked to a T.
Is there anything on Army regulation about this? Should I get the IG involved? What if this belief is against my religion and I don't agree with it? I know the SGM has a transgender kid. I do not want to cave to using these terms if it does not align with my beliefs. I know the worlds' headed in this direction but this seems absolutely insane to me that despite acing a board, I can be prevented from promoting due to using gender pronouns. What
Is there anything on Army regulation about this? Should I get the IG involved? What if this belief is against my religion and I don't agree with it? I know the SGM has a transgender kid. I do not want to cave to using these terms if it does not align with my beliefs. I know the worlds' headed in this direction but this seems absolutely insane to me that despite acing a board, I can be prevented from promoting due to using gender pronouns. What
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I will preface this with I don’t care about being PC, just be honest. I am not the PC police but your excuse for not doing something was, it was against my religion…kind of sounds like you are working the system here. You are in the military, we don’t care about your religion or which religion you believe in, you do what your government tells you to do, when they tell you to do it. So calling someone by a pronoun that they physically aren’t is against your religion but killing because that same government sent you somewhere to kill is okay lol. Sounds like you don’t like to follow orders that you don’t agree with, maybe the military isn’t for you if you are going to pick and choose which orders you will follow.
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Guess what, being gender neutral because you serve with men AND women means using a third person perspective is appropriate for a board answer. Unless the question you received directly stipulated a pronoun, you are wrong. Period. The board does throw in questions like this to weed out someone like you who would end up with an EO complaint. So only cis gender men can serve? Is that it? Then you are in the wrong country's military. Even Russia has women in their military. Heck, even terror cells use women for various operations. About the only military for you is Mauritania. They prohibit women from serving... only country in the world to do so. And if you KNOW the SGM has a trans child... you are just ate all up on many levels. So either 1) learn from this or 2) ets.
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It seems moot. If you know the soldier you are referring to identifies with the pronouns of he/ him then it wouldn’t/ shouldn’t matter!
I am a member of the LGBTQ Community and as far as I am concerned the whole pronoun thing is bullshit! If I see a girl in front of me then I am going to refer to her as she, if I see a boy in front of me then I am going to refer to him as he. At what point are we going to get back to the fact that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it isn’t a dog so it must be a duck!
I am a member of the LGBTQ Community and as far as I am concerned the whole pronoun thing is bullshit! If I see a girl in front of me then I am going to refer to her as she, if I see a boy in front of me then I am going to refer to him as he. At what point are we going to get back to the fact that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it isn’t a dog so it must be a duck!
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Life is full of challenges and roadblocks and you have to navigate them to be successful. While you may disagree with this, when is the next board? If they want to play stupid games and create new challenges then you find new ways to overcome. Thanks for being stupid and I will raise you...if you were playing cards. Get back in the game, overcome this and create an environment in the army you want. Dont bring the SGM family into this, you will not win. This sounds unfair, stupid, and next month you will beat this shitshow.
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1SG Cj Grisham
Sounds like you're asking him to ignore the Army values of Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage and "go along to get along" instead address the problem.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
1SG Cj Grisham - One has to pick their battles and what you and I can fight as seniors and retired and what he can as a specialist are very different. I walked away from a civilian nursing job in 2021 after expressing concerns to the chief nurse about safety and culture. Making it to NCO and fighting battles this soldier will find himself much more successful and likely to win than die on a sword so early. Strategic not tactical thinking here.
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JFC. To see how far my beloved Army has fallen over this type of stupidity is heart breaking. As a kid when we were asked what you want to be when you grow up my answer was always a soldier, I had no second choice. For me it was a calling until I got injured and the Army decided it had no more use for me but to see the sham, the travesty the military is becoming saddens me. AF that can't fly aircraft, Navy that can't steer a ship on open water without running into another ship, Marines that.. well keep on eating crayons brothers and the Army that has lost all sense of itself and mission over this kind of nonsense. I weep for you all. What happened to the days of "Deeds Not Words"?
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We need a WOKE military as much as allowing transgender to be recruited so they can get "reassignment"surgery. All your doing is putting a lifetime of physical and mental health problems onto the VA. You can bet they won't have the same hoops to jump through that combat veterans are forced to do.
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First of all, if that was the only reason, the Board should not have denied your promotion for what they considered to be a major fault - it would be a very poor decision! However, I am looking at your response in a slightly different way. Responding with "the soldier should" has nothing to do with transgender, gay, or whatever... It has to do with accepting that all of our Brothers and Sisters in Arms share equally with the overall accomplishment of our mission. During my time in service (a long time before yours) I had a difficult time accepting this. It took a while but I eventually understood the significance of being all inclusive. I don't think religion would prohibit anyone from using the term "a soldier should". What you consider to be "a soldier" is within your own mind and cannot be interpreted by anyone else. Looking for regulations or getting the IG involved is probably not your best plan of action. Instead, talk to your sponsor about going before the next board. Show everyone that you can learn from what they perceive as mistakes and move forward, You sound like an intelligent, dedicated, and hard working soldier. I look forward to your future promotion to Sergeant Major of the Army! Hold your head up, be proud, and drive on!
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Why would any promotion care whether a soldier is addressed as he or she? This sounds stupid.
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SP5 Sandra Dockeney
SFC (Verify To See) I don't care one way or the other as long as they leave my pay and food alone.
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If this is why you were denied, then there are bigger things to worry about than a promotion. Our army has become weakened, ineffective, and unable to perform It’s mission.
We are headed down a very narrow path due to social engineering by a leftist element in our society.
The job of the military is to protect our country and the American way of life, and kill the enemy. It is not to make room for people with mental illness ie transgender, etc.
If you are suffering from what you are the military is not a place for you. The people in charge of the military are political hacks, not soldiers. When China comes knocking in WW3, our military will be busy worrying about E5s misidentifying someone who doesn’t know what they are instead of fighting and winning. Glad I’m no longer a part of the military. What was the last vestige of American Pride has been destroyed.
We are headed down a very narrow path due to social engineering by a leftist element in our society.
The job of the military is to protect our country and the American way of life, and kill the enemy. It is not to make room for people with mental illness ie transgender, etc.
If you are suffering from what you are the military is not a place for you. The people in charge of the military are political hacks, not soldiers. When China comes knocking in WW3, our military will be busy worrying about E5s misidentifying someone who doesn’t know what they are instead of fighting and winning. Glad I’m no longer a part of the military. What was the last vestige of American Pride has been destroyed.
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When I read Comments Like These, It Please Me I Was In The Service From, 1961 - 65,
And NOT At This Time In History. The BS That's Asked About Now, Wouldn't Have Even Been Considered Previously.......Are We Sure We're Discussing The AMERICAN Military?
And NOT At This Time In History. The BS That's Asked About Now, Wouldn't Have Even Been Considered Previously.......Are We Sure We're Discussing The AMERICAN Military?
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