Posted on Apr 22, 2017
Can male soldiers wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?
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Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
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When I was active duty ( retired Hawaii National Guard) , we never had to worry about this. Under Clinton, it was don't ask don't tell. I really don't think that the Army should be a place where social issues need to be played out. If I saw a male soldier wear lip stick and other female accessories anywhere, I would be having a cow. I would find out that soldiers commanding officer and complain to him or her.
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LTC Philip Park
Even in the old Army, since being a Dentist, I remember being stationed at SHAPE. We had a gay MD and everyone knew it. Since he was a specialist, he wasn't kicked out. He even made advances to some of our male dental assistants.
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This androgynous thing you know seeing the hair bands with the rock and roll guys from all the heavy metal bands was always androgynous seeing Steve Bono and even Ozzy Osbourne wear black fingernail polish which I think is a laughable goth trait. There are bands at War eyeliner and lipstick like the New York Dolls back in the 1970s. They weren't that popular but then in the early eighties you had alternative music bands like Duran Duran, Culture Club and Boy George and The Cure that was late 70s early 80s. 554 now and that music came out when I was 18 to 24 so I laugh now when I see people try to emulate those and think they try to be real cool.
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Regulations also include post, or Division, policies, as well as individual command policies. They cannot detract from Army-wife regulations, but can add to, based upon a commander's interpretation of the intent of which adds to an Army regulation, then it becomes regulation. When I was stationed at Ft. Stewart, GA, command policy dictated what could and could not be worn, or done while occupying any space attributed to the Division commander's scope of command. It is the commander's right to expect that you follow those rules while on his post. It also stated what you could and could not wear while off post, if you were, in any capacity, able to be recognized as representing his division (whether intentionally or not).
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I guess it would depend on a few things: Are you talking like he's active duty or that he's guard/reserves? Off-duty I don't believe you can tell a soldier what they can or can't wear. Regardless on if they're on or off post. However if the Post Commander has added to the regs stating specifically that those things are not allowed on post who am I to disagree? Otherwise what they do while off duty (legally) is none of your business.
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SFC Steve Ouellette
Either way, earrings are not allowed to be worn by males on or off post, on leave, don't matter. Now if it is a male that is going through sex change it all depends what they identify as on their Military ID card...
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The CMD team was like some leadership that wants to look away because it is a touchy subject due to politics these days.. A BN command team cannot override 670-1 last time I checked... And that is not just "adding to" the reg as some would like to use
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SSgt James Tadlock
Use them for the real good jobs. Know what I mean ? Keep'em there "in the box" till they understand the reason why. Give'em some of them civilian jobs in the Mess Hall
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I can't say much about what goes on in today's military because I am from the old school (USAF 1959-1963), but I know that in 1960, on Pope Air Force Base you could get a write-up for wearing blue jeans to the mess hall while you were off duty.
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