Posted on Apr 22, 2017
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Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.

The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.

As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
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LTC Alan Murphy
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The funniest shit.........The Military gets what it deserves and America gets what it deserves.......The military like other parts of the Federal Government has been taken over by the Communists/Cultural Marxists/Globalists....There are more communists now in the Federal Government, Military, Academia and Media than anytime in modern history....Some are willing Communists/Cultural Marxists and others don't even know they are communists who have simply grown up being indoctrinated by media and academia....The UCMJ is corrupted, CID is corrupted, Chain Of Commands are Corrupted....there is no equal justice anymore.....Looking at the latest navy ship collision disasters is just another sign of complete breakdown of the services.........The US Military is a joke now just like the government has made a joke out of the American people..........The military is full of a bunch of hypocrites particularly up the chain of command..........You can find poorly written conflicting regulations and contradictory rules and regulations....over 90% of commanders don't even know and can accurately interpret many of the rules and regulations and then if you rely on the JAG Corp to help you just opened another can of incompetence....Over the last 50 years the military has slowly evolved into a disaster waiting to happen just like the incompetence and corruption inside the Communist Bureaucratic Veterans Administration...
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LCpl Freedom A.
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Whew... this land is all not lost..You may not even be on rp any longer, but folks will still see it. What all the hard a*** nco, snco, officers fail to realize while being hard on lower members trying to keep them in line, hazing, blankets parties, extra duties..please none of this has any affect when you let your fellow snco's and officers run amuck of the system. Short of murder or suffocating your troops all your word you give to your subordinates doesn't matter if all the guys at the top gets away with every crime imaginable. Its like yelling at and disciplining a toddler for f**** around when the much older, responsible party never gets approached. You want to see change the brass needs to huddle up and discuss s***. your f*** trying to get some wet behind the ear boot with similac on their breath to get it. DELUSIONAL. Until we see or hear the Joint chief of staff holds the Past, present, and future commander in Chief feet to the fire their will be problems already and your hazing card, code red cards, and dead bodies will start to pile up from running to death or what ever hair brained scheme yall think up for discipline. Show some leadership and grow some balls. Four stars just acn't wait to write that book boyyy.
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MSgt Mayo Sifford
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Why in hell would a "male soldier" want to wear black - or any other color - lipstick, ripped clothing or earrings? Recruiters must really be scraping the bottom to come up with such dummies.
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SSG Dave Johnston
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GOTH, Steampunk, COSplay,
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SPC Rex Sr
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ONE SIMPLE ANSWER: HELL NO!!!!!!
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SSG Motor Sergeant
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To me the new soldiers and Marines etc. want the Armed Forces to aqueous to there ways. Well I have some news for you.... Rather your Active duty or National Guard, Reserves you have to ACT in a appropriate manner. Remember, you represent the U.S. and the component you serve. You are held to a higher standard than civilians. We are looked upon as respectful, and guardians to the republic. Take pride in yourself and your duty as a member of the Armed Forces.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Lipstick and Earrings Clash with My Entire Wardrobe! Now My Torn Jeans from the Buckle are Pretty Damn Expensive and I'm Not Giving Them Up. I rather Like "Styling" in Torn Jeans (Actually I'm So Friggin Tall Buckle is the Only Place I can Buy Jeans).
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So, let me see if I can summarize and clarify the situation. A male 'soldier' was discovered on a military base, wearing lipstick, makeup and other appearance enhancing material in rip jeans. An 'on the spot' correction was attempted. Whereas the offending soldier responded that the correcting individual needed to confer with the offending soldier's Chain of Command to confirm that the soldier was not violating policy. As a result of communication with the Chain of Command, it was inferred that there would be no correction. I think I have this correct. If not, feel free to jump in with both feet.

So, my first observation is that we are living in a post-Obama era. People can be whatever they want to be (male can be female, female can be male, or they can choose a non-binary gender, etc.). This is similar to our former 'Be All You Can Be' marketing motto but not in the manner we expected. Secondly, over the years, the ability to correct poor or unacceptable behavior has deteriorated to a point that it is safer not to correct. Parents can't paddle children, for fear of being labeled as an abusive parent. Drill Instructors cannot raise their voice to recruits, for fear of being labeled abusive. Organizations cannot enforce organizational standards of decency for fear of being labeled racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc. Finally, I am reminded of a standard I was taught and taught myself as an NCO, 'unenforced standards, set new standards.'

To be clear, our society and the military that represents the society is changing, it always has. The question is, does this change interfere with the ability to perform our mission 'to fight and win America's wars?' If it does, then leaders have a responsibility to know and enforce the regulations. If they refuse to, then they are not leaders. The decline in our military's leadership skills is the main reason I departed the military and I suspect, it is the main reason most leave the military. As I am retired, I can't do much about anything in the military beyond influence today's leaders. Unfortunately, there is no AR 670-1 jail.
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1SG Charles Simpson
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Greetings Colonel. I think I am troubled by your post because it seems that you are throwing in the towel. We must never accept any further degradation of our precious army, no matter our present status. A male human being (I refuse to call it a man) who will not accept the level of regimentation and discipline required to be an effective member of a fighting team has no business near a military installation, ever. I am a retired veteran (1960 - 1988) but I will never stop being a soldier. It saddens me to see that we have no strong leadership left in the force and I pray that we never have another full blown war because I am afraid we are not disciplined enough to win it. Where are the Pattons and the Eisenhowers that we need so badly today?
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1SG Charles Simpson Although I share your desire to maintain the standards we both experienced and accepted, those days are long gone. I continue to visit active and reserve units, only to discover that with 86 genders and a requirement to accept people for who they are (or view themselves), leaders are fearful to enforce standards. They fear being called racist, bigot or any of the political terms associated with liberal society. Officers and NCOs are being forced to choose between career or standards. As a result, many standards have been modified or eliminated all together. We are even creating badges and ribbons to recognize ‘participation’ versus excellence. The new ‘expert soldier’ badge elevates competence in basic soldier skills to those associated with EFMB and EIB (they created the CAB for the same reason). History has shown us the risk in this behavior. Our ‘first battles’ tend to decimate those sent to battle first because they were not trained to standards but to political standards. The truth is, gender is far less relevant than skills.
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1SG Charles Simpson
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COL (Join to see) - I appreciate the counsel, Colonel, but I must respectfully disagree with what is happening to our fighting force today. When I first started my career in June of 1960, my trainers were all veterans of combat relating to both WWII and Korea, no nonsense and no political correctness affected their efforts to train us in staying alive and protecting our country. If you didn't want to morph into the mold, you were sent home immediately and that is the way it should be today. I took off my uniform for the last time on I July 1988 but never stopped serving and continued as a member of the civilian component. I have been an integral part of an active duty army line unit every day of my life since I swore my allegiance on 11 June 1960 and I will continue that service until sickness or death makes it impossible to continue. I see great leaders and I see great soldiers but they are in the minority and I am afraid they will not be enough to save us when the call comes. If you ever make it to the Camp Darby Italy AOR, I would consider it a distinct honor to be able to salute you and to shake your hand.
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1SG Charles Simpson we agree on much. As much as I want our Army to be focused on war fighting and winning, the previous administration focused on gender equality and inclusion (which are irrelevant to a unit trained to standards). This distraction has resulted in a re-evaluation of the standards, with an eye towards equal outcomes and unequal effort. We had to modify our standards to accommodate the type of recruits instead of modifying our recruits (training and elimination) due to a failure to meet standards. It is not the Army you nor I want but it is the current reality.

I haven’t been near Camp Darby in 40 years, when I took a hop from Germany to ski the Dolomites. I think I’m due for a return trip.
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SSG Ralph Watkins
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You go by the current regs & enforce them. That soldier may not like them but they must comply with those regulations right up until they change. He can get busted down, punished, etc for disobeying the regs & the NCO's orders. Period. When the Army gets around to changing the regs, he can do whatever the regs says & nothing more. Also, it can still be up to the command to enforce it's own set of rules as long as they don't hinder his human rights (make-up is not a human right) or violated the current regs. Those of us who have served in special assignments know what this is like. Doesn't want to comply to the command's rules, ship him to a command that will allow this. Seen plenty of people shipped to other units for violating the command's rules.
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Agree, but shipping a problem child to someone else so they can be a problem child there only works one time. In reality you should put your problems on other units. I work in a hospital and we don't mover our problem patients to other floors for that reason. We are just shifting the problem around and not stopping the problem,
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CPT Jera Anderson
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21 years as an NCO who went 'mustang' and retired an O3 in `95. I could well be wrong with my .02 here but I'll contribute it anyway. Yes, it was a different Army back then. Still, I can't believe that much has truly changed.
The men in my platoons would have never stood for this and would have addressed the issue privately but quickly and without mercy. You embarrass the unit, you only did it once.
Nuff said.
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LCpl Freedom A.
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Another DELUSIONAL birdbrain. So you agree with your organization instilling the same policies STREET GANGS and the MAFIA employ. No wonder yall lost Vietnam and every battle since. Either become them or not stop riding the fence. S*** or get off the pot.
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SSgt Health Services Management
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Believe me, I have corrected my airmen when they wore earrings after hours on the base and I showed them the regs. The difficulty was when one airman wrote to the Secretary of the Air Force to try having the regs changed for him to dress in the female uniform, PT test as a female, and be allowed to use the female restrooms in all base facilities. In my opinion, it was a slap in the face to our military.
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Brad Miller
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Sounds like someone pushing an agenda, rather than genuinely "gender confused".
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SGM Major Stroupe
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Totally inappropriate. If that's your thing, get a different profession.
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SPC Kevin Pora
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Good call Sergeant Major!
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