Posted on Apr 22, 2017
Can male soldiers wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?
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Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
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The military has changed tremendously, since the beginning. From allowing homosexuals to actively volunteer, to next, allowing females to become combat pilots, and now, 2017 introduces 11X...female airborne infantry. The regulations for dress should be changed to compromise with the newest brand of soldier, if you will. To me, I don't care what your lifestyle is or how you dress...it's about soldiering. My wearing an earring didn't change the fact, that I was a good soldier. So long as you don't do anything to embarrass yourself, which in turn would, realistically, embarrass the standards of the military, then, so what. I come from a long generation of men in the military. Time to relax just a little, to let our soldiers, do just that....Soldier
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Haaaaay! The government doesn't really know how to keep certain people out of the military (from serving ). I say let them do at least one term. Then if they want to persue a career, then expect them to conform to the regs. Remember, you were once a rebel.
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Why should it matter what someone wears when off duty? I've served with a wide variety of individuals including heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals and never had an issue with any of them. Norms change, that's what happens in societies that are based on freedom. I'm a bit sick of people pushing their religious beliefs on others. Shouldn't America be the one place in which ALL citizens can live their lives as they wish as long as they don't infringe on the rights of other citizens?
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If I remember AR670-1 it stated male soldiers can't wear earrings while in uniform, on duty, or off duty while on a military instillation. it may have changed. As for everything else whew!
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SPC Charlotte Stubbs
Why should the rules be different depending on your sex? Cultural norms change. When our military was formed long hair was the norm, then it changed. Things change, that's the one constant in life.
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SPC Christopher Renkel
Its because people only choose what they want to follow about equality. Do you want to run a 13m 2 mile to max your run? Strip out male detainees without a male present. I can make a list that would crash the internet.
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SPC Christopher Renkel
But I don't care what you do when your out of uniform and not on post. As long as it's not Illegal and what ever your doing is not representing the Military.
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I suppose that off duty civies can let a troop express a little individuality, as long as it does not detract from the overall bearing and good order of the military organization of which he is a part. Black lipstick etc. for a male would seem to me to be way over the line and certainly should not be allowed on base. Even when "off duty" the mission of the organization should always come first. Individuality even off duty must remain within those bounds.
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SPC Charlotte Stubbs
So,, it's OK for a woman to wear black lipstick? What about wearing male clothing? The rules should apply equally.
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Unfortunately the regulations do specifically address this issue. I cannot remember any post that allowed males to wear earrings on post, on or off duty. The ripped clothing unfortunately has become so common that no one really cares. The local command may have published guidance but that is probably a long shot. The only branch where I would bet that they have addressed this issue is the Marine Corp. The days of expecting all soldiers to present themselves in a professional manner on and off duty are gone. It makes me feel ashamed of the service because they have allowed this behavior to continue without taking action. As for the question of should this be allowed? my answer is HELL NO!
Every time one of these wierdos pulls a stunt like this, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the UCMJ. If they want to dress like they are homeless, then process the chapter and give them that status. It is time that every branch stands up and draws a line in the sand that says NO MORE. we will not allow these people to destroy our heritage or give the branches a black eye with the public.
Every time one of these wierdos pulls a stunt like this, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the UCMJ. If they want to dress like they are homeless, then process the chapter and give them that status. It is time that every branch stands up and draws a line in the sand that says NO MORE. we will not allow these people to destroy our heritage or give the branches a black eye with the public.
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Here it goes again like back in my day. As a recruiter in the late 70 just after the draft was abolished the enlistment contract read have or have ever had homo sexual tendencies yes or no. If you answered "NO" no questions asked about your sexuality. If you looked or experienced active duty before or during those years and some that answered "NO" still enlisted as being gay. You know we have almost have been desensitized by this that we have almost accepted by will of the Federal Government. I have always felt this way of this subject if you don't bring out in public. So with that being said wearing lipstick would be out in my time, earrings can't say and ripped clothes are out. In my time was you represented the federal government. Especially if you were overseas you were considered the diplomat. I have been out retired since 1994 and things were changing fast for us old goats. I have heard the saying that if you could go back into active duty again would you? A lot of veterans and retirees say yes. My answer would be simply NO but HELL NO. I would not fit in because I could not be what I use to be. This is the millennium generation and Y generation time not my time.
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Do not join the Military if You can't, maintain the discipline it demands of You! just like some jobs will not allow certain, behavior, activity, size, weight, IQ, education level, etc. If You want to be a, hedonistic,, freak creature, don't join our services!!
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I was told that you would always conduct yourself in accordance with military standards, always made sense and still does.
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