Posted on Apr 22, 2017
Can male soldiers wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?
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Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
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If his 1Sgt and Company Commander wear the same outfit, it's O.K. NEVER HAPPEN G. I.
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I am absolutely disgusted by some of the responses in here to include "2 dollar hooker" and "flaming". 1. Males <as such on erb> are not authorized makeup ON DUTY.
2. Males are not allowed ear rings on/off duty on/off post.
3. Ripped jeans are a fashion item... and unless OP has a unit/post policy this is not covered by 670-1 unless you want to argue about neat and professional which is a rabbit hole nobody comes out of
4. Nowhere in this did the OP STATE this individual is trans... so don't argue for/against a moot point. HOWEVER, for every one of the comments degrading the SM for their individuality.... you need to check yourself. The Army doesn't need anyone who chooses to bash someone because they are male wearing makeup you.... are what is wrong with the Army.
5. Trans does not equal gay
6. It's 2017 not 1787.... people have personal lives outside the military (GASP) this may include crossdressing. Get over yourself about whether or not this is professional... unless it's illegal unethical or immoral <news flash> it isn't. Leave it be.
7. OP was correct about earrings, but if the O5 says leave it be.... refer to point 6
8. IF THIS SM IS TRANS this gives even more reason to refer to rule 6. I've seen not hat wearing, do-rag wearing, pot t-shirt sporting, confederate flag flying soldiers in 1 day on Stewart to make up a ream of papers worth of 4856's
9. Unless your 3 meter circle is deficient-free... don't go on a public forum complaining that the force is so unprofessional.... and how it's because of LGBT in the force. I challenge all of you to look in the mirror before bashing the SM without the whole picture. This one post has me more worried about what terrible leaders out soldiers have than whether or not lipstick is an issue on post
2. Males are not allowed ear rings on/off duty on/off post.
3. Ripped jeans are a fashion item... and unless OP has a unit/post policy this is not covered by 670-1 unless you want to argue about neat and professional which is a rabbit hole nobody comes out of
4. Nowhere in this did the OP STATE this individual is trans... so don't argue for/against a moot point. HOWEVER, for every one of the comments degrading the SM for their individuality.... you need to check yourself. The Army doesn't need anyone who chooses to bash someone because they are male wearing makeup you.... are what is wrong with the Army.
5. Trans does not equal gay
6. It's 2017 not 1787.... people have personal lives outside the military (GASP) this may include crossdressing. Get over yourself about whether or not this is professional... unless it's illegal unethical or immoral <news flash> it isn't. Leave it be.
7. OP was correct about earrings, but if the O5 says leave it be.... refer to point 6
8. IF THIS SM IS TRANS this gives even more reason to refer to rule 6. I've seen not hat wearing, do-rag wearing, pot t-shirt sporting, confederate flag flying soldiers in 1 day on Stewart to make up a ream of papers worth of 4856's
9. Unless your 3 meter circle is deficient-free... don't go on a public forum complaining that the force is so unprofessional.... and how it's because of LGBT in the force. I challenge all of you to look in the mirror before bashing the SM without the whole picture. This one post has me more worried about what terrible leaders out soldiers have than whether or not lipstick is an issue on post
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SFC Robert Lee Rice
You are a moron................This is MY US Army..........look like a soldier,or get the hell out..
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Back in the 1970's I left North Carolina where it were very cold flew to LAX bound for Camp Pendleton, I had on a class A uniform with a tie, it were so hot in California., I loosen my tie, The Military Police at the Gate stopped me and stated "marine" you can either wear that uniform in its proper order are spent time in the Brig. No problem the tie went back to its proper order.
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With the transgender/gay issues I would have to read the regulations daily. So good luck on this one.
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To answer this ASSinine question quite bluntly, NO! You are a soldier in and off duty. 24/7. Even on approved leave. You are a soldier and must uphold the standards of being a soldier. 24/6/365 You gave no OFF DAYS. You are a soldier at all times. In and out of uniform. The uniform is not ever makes you a soldier, the discipline is. The integrity. All of it. The uniform is just that. A uniform of a soldier. The soldier wearing the uniform is a soldier even without the uniform on. So, again, to answer your ASSinine question, NO, YOU CANNOT FO THOSE THINGS OR ANYTHING THAT IS UNBECOMING IF A SOLDIER. PERIOD.
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If a soldier cannot where extreme hairstyles while off duty, I can’t imagine why they would be allowed to do anything else. You are a soldier 24/7.
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We should consider EO when thinking about these things. If our ladies dress the same way, and makes that want to be more "feminine, " should we regulate on just males, or males and females? I say, everyone should look the same.
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Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. Duh! Are you so imperceptive that this has to be spelled out for you? Let me put it to you this way. Before Obama turned our military into a social experiment, purged our good generals and replaced them with weak “yes men” nobody would have even bothered questioning the obvious. When I was going through college on the MECEP Program at the University of Texas, I heard a story about a MECEP at Texas A&M getting dropped from the program after his MOI saw him out in town wearing an ear ring. Was that fair?
What you do on your off time is a reflection on who you are and who you are is reflected in your job performance. You can’t be a different person on the job and off the job. The two are intertwined. You can put on an act for awhile but eventually who you really are comes out. When we travel, others see what we do on liberty and form impressions. Like it or not, it matters.
What you do on your off time is a reflection on who you are and who you are is reflected in your job performance. You can’t be a different person on the job and off the job. The two are intertwined. You can put on an act for awhile but eventually who you really are comes out. When we travel, others see what we do on liberty and form impressions. Like it or not, it matters.
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Pushing the envelope by wearing above mentioned articles is not new. The Rock and Punk Scene were very much alive in the 1980's when I was a soldier. The ZERO tolerance policy was very much alive too. Some wore those things at their night clubs (CP duties) or in their circles, but once back on base, clean as a whistle.
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Follow up question, as long as hair is in regs on duty, can you style outside of regs while in civis/off duty, and are there any regulations on facial hair off duty?
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