Posted on Jun 21, 2018
Can my squad leader decline my request for a 4-day pass? Is there still a chance that my Commander might approve it?
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Hypothetically speaking. If i drop a packet for a 4 day pass that I was given for doing barge detail (comp day) and my squad leader said he's gonna decline it. Is there still a chance for it to be accepted by my commander and 1sgt?
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The commander is the one that can deny a pass. Usually the commander is going to listen to recommendations from the 1SG and subordinate NCOs, but he/she is the only one that can actually turn it down. I always recommend using your CoC and trying to not make waves unless necessary. But if your squad leader refuses to submit the packet, then I suggest using the chain of command to bring that to the attention of the PSG, PL, etc.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CW2 (Join to see) AR 600-8-10 support your statement as true, as with many things in life, reality is however different.
The CDR that approves a pass which the 1SG recommended and showed cause why it should be denied is a one time commander who is destined for future staff positions.
A 1SG that recommends approval of a pass when the platoon sergeant showed cause why it should be denied is a master sergeant in the making.
The CDR that approves a pass which the 1SG recommended and showed cause why it should be denied is a one time commander who is destined for future staff positions.
A 1SG that recommends approval of a pass when the platoon sergeant showed cause why it should be denied is a master sergeant in the making.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGM Erik Marquez - While I generally agree with that philosophy, I would leave room in there to consider that sometimes a squad leader and even the platoon sergeant will have their heads up their ass about something's. While I would normally expect the 1St Sgt. to line this stuff out before it got to me, it doesn't always happen.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CPT Lawrence Cable Concur completely I can see how my statement did come across as an absolute and it wasn’t really thought that way but it does read as so.
As with everything there are as many permutations of every situation as there are humans
As with everything there are as many permutations of every situation as there are humans
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PFC (Join to see) " my squad leader said he's gonna decline it."
Your squad leader misspoke, or is confused as to his authority.
As others have stated, the approval authority is the commander or the person he delegates the authority to.
That said, if a squad leader recommends denial of the pass, shows cause for it and mitigation as to how it can be approved at a later time... a good command team is going to go along with that recommendation.
Its not uncommon though for a low level leader to, not see the forest for the trees .
To that Squad leader, they see tasks assigned, training planned and do not see a path for you to take a pass so recommend to deny the pass request.. The PSG or 1SG look at the same situation, know the detail that squad is tasked with over the pass period requested, know task can easily be handled by a squad short one person, and recommends to the CDR (or the SM who it was delegated to, say the 1SG for all 3 day passes) for approval of the pass.
That is not a denouncement of the squad leaders decision to deny the pass in of itself, so I would caution assuming so.
Your squad leader misspoke, or is confused as to his authority.
As others have stated, the approval authority is the commander or the person he delegates the authority to.
That said, if a squad leader recommends denial of the pass, shows cause for it and mitigation as to how it can be approved at a later time... a good command team is going to go along with that recommendation.
Its not uncommon though for a low level leader to, not see the forest for the trees .
To that Squad leader, they see tasks assigned, training planned and do not see a path for you to take a pass so recommend to deny the pass request.. The PSG or 1SG look at the same situation, know the detail that squad is tasked with over the pass period requested, know task can easily be handled by a squad short one person, and recommends to the CDR (or the SM who it was delegated to, say the 1SG for all 3 day passes) for approval of the pass.
That is not a denouncement of the squad leaders decision to deny the pass in of itself, so I would caution assuming so.
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