Posted on Feb 28, 2015
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The 1SG has mandated that all Soldiers within the Unit will buy the new uniform by May 1st.
Let me say that I do not personally mind buying it but can we mandate and give them a short suspense when the ARMY has already determined a wear out date?
I understand the you can always improve upon but not take away from but when it comes to expenses does this apply?

D. (U) THE WEAR OUT DATE FOR THE IPFU IS 30 SEP 17. THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE FOR THE APFU IS 1 OCT 17 (1QFY18).
ALARACT 209/2014

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1SGs and CDRs can not mandated everyone to wear the new Army PT until after the wear our date. They can "highly encourage" Soldiers to purchase them as soon as they are financially able to. If they wanted to demonstrate to Soldiers how it could behoove them to purchase the new PT uniform sooner rather than later, they could do the following: At the PT formation on a Friday, separate personnel into 2 platoons; 1 with the IPFU and 1 with the new PT uniform. Have the PSGs take charge of their formations. The PSG with the new PT uniform platoon turns around and promptly yells "ZONK!" The PSG with the IPFU formation turns around and announces they are going to conduct a 8 mile run.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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You complete the course and you have the highest GPA alongside meeting the necessary criteria for DHG or Commandant's List. If Soldiers who have profiles cannot pass the course, the profile is not to blame. They come to the course already knowing the requirements. I'm not sure what the parallel you are trying to draw is. I can only speak to what I have seen at the Ft Drum NCOA as an instructor.
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1SG First Sergeant
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You brought up that the NCOESs do not deny graduation based on uniforms and you mentioned what I stated as favoritism. I am drawing the parallel that some NCOAs do "favor" non-physical profiles over the physical profile as it pertains to the requirements to earn Commandant's List or DHG recognition. While it may not be the case at your specific NCOA, I have seen it (and experienced it) in the past. However, you did not answer my specific request to list the requirements in order to earn honors at your NCOA. What are the physical fitness test requirements for honors status at the Fort Drum NCOA?
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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http://www.drum.army.mil/NCOAcademy/Documents/sg.pdf

If you click the following link, pages 11-12 of 30, it is clearly stated.
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1SG First Sergeant
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SFC (Join to see) , thanks for the link. It appears your NCOA is doing the "right" thing by only judging honors by their actual achievements in the classroom and in the field during leadership evaluation. I asked you to post this because there were NCOAs in the past that actually require Soldiers to achieve a certain score on the APFT in order to be considered for honors. Additionally, those NCOAs did not make allowance for physical profile. If you could not meet the standard in all 3 events, then you despite being the highest academic in your class, you were not considered for honors. It went, by default, to the highest PT scoring academic (who happened to be the 6th highest academic in the course). So, kudos to your NCOA for getting it right.....No, I'm not bitter about a past experience says the crusty ole SFC dripping with sarcasm! :)
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The first time we has someone show up in the new IPFU, the majority of my company had never even seen it before.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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Yes, it is definitely different from anything in the recent two decades.
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SPC(P) Jay Heenan
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This is why we have regulations and ALARACT messages. They can't mandate it, but we all know the many, many ways they have to stall/kill your career if you choose to 'challenge their authority'.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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That is wrong and you should always protect your Soldiers. I hope you take that with you when you get promoted.
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AR 670-1 para. 2-6(f):
"Commanders will not require individuals to purchase optional uniform items. Likewise, they will not restrict or discourage them from wearing optional uniform items authorized by this regulation, except in those instances where uniformity is required, such as parades or formations."

If a commander cannot require it, a 1SG definitely cannot. He can only restrict the wear of option uniform or uniform components for ceremonial or uniformity, but Soldiers cannot be required to possess optional (new) uniforms prior to wear out.
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That's a negative. Even now it is difficult to get them pretty much anywhere. If the Army has a DX date then even a 1SG can't say you have to get them. It would be the same if they said something about wearing OCPs when you are allowed to wear ACUs until 2019. Take it up with your CO if you're that worried about it.
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CH (COL) Geoff Bailey
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Nope...cannot require what the Army has not required.
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SGT Tyler G.
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With regards to enlisted, whenever a new uniform comes out the Army must issue the first set whether it be your dress uniform, your pt uniform, or your camo. Your unit's supply section should be handling this. Officers must purchase their own I believe. As always someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding of Army policy.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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That may be the case in the reserves and/or bit not on active duty.
We always have to buy the new equipment on our own.
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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They changed twice while I was in. I had to buy both times.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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This is my Forth as I have had a break in service.
My question to you is were you mandated to purchase it before the wear out date?
I am always thinking of the Soldiers who are struggling.
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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A 4856 giving me 30 days to purchase the new PT's the second time.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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Was the wear out date past?
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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No. It wasn't.
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The First Sergeant sets the uniform, if the Command team desires to have all to change to the new PT by a certain date it is their right, that why Active duty gets a Uniform Allowance, so they can purchase new uniforms. Mandatory Possession Date just mean that is the date you must have, but you may possess prior to that date.
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SGT Jim Z.
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1SG (Join to see) today is 1 MAR 2015 and he wants it his unit by 1 MAY 15 which is 60 days. First off just because AD gets a uniform allowance which is given on your anniversary month not at the beginning of the calendar year so that is not a valid argument. What is the supply of the new uniforms and will there be enough to get this done, highly doubtful.
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1SG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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I don't know where you are stationed but, FT Campbell has plenty I got some in Nov 2014 and the AAFES online has an order that send them to your house. there are plenty. The clothing allowance my not come the 1st of the year, but a soldier does what they have to, to accomplish the mission. Or I should say the old school soldiers. When I joined, it was the eighties and it was a different Army, I know, I bought stuff just because it was needed. I was issued a Green Field jacket and told that I had to buy the correct camo one, I did not like it, but I did it because it was mandated. I am sure if the clothing and sales runs out your 1SG would extend the mandate, if he is aware of the issue.I know I would.
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I have a very simple answer. The answer is yes, the 1SG can. How? Because that's what your clothing allowance is for! Yet, there is still debate over should or should not.

Think back to the ASU-Greens and the now ASU-Blues. Per ALARACT 099/2011, DTG: R 161504Z Mar 11, the wear out date for the Greens is the 4TH Quarter of FY 2015. That means that Soldiers are still authorized to wear the Greens until that deadline. ETS and retirement should be taken into consideration. Soldiers that ETS or retire before the wear out date may be directed that they are not required to purchase the new uniform. However, Soldier's whose contractual obligation exceeds past the wear out date, will eventually have to purchase the new uniform.

So, for those Soldiers whose ETS or retirement dates that are beyond the wear out date, why procrastinate and fight something you're going to have to conform to anyways?

My ETS was one month after the wear out date for the Greens. Did I want to shell out the money? No! Was I going to have to anyways? Yes! Did I argue with it? No! Why? Because that's what your clothing allowance is for!

I already hear Soldier complaining about it. Then I remind them about their clothing allowance. If they don't want to buy the uniform, they can give back that +$300.
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No. The 1SG cannot change Army policy. The clothing allowance is to maintain serviceable uniforms. It is not there to buy the newest uniforms as soon as they come out. The Army sets a wear out date for the older design and a mandatory possession date for the new design for a reason. No 1SG, CPT or anyone else has the authority to change an Army policy. (I guess GEN Odinero could do it)
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