Posted on Jan 13, 2017
SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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I was in Military Intell.... we do not qualify for CIB.
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SGT(P) Joe Zitzelberger
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint - Combat Medic Badge dates back to WWII, same as the creation of the CIB.
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COL Johnny Brooks
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Seems to be some sense here. Maybe one of you smart fellows can help me out. My dad, WWII and KW vet, was a combat medic at Regt level in both conflicts. He also was awarded the CIB in WWII, 45 days after he landed at Normandy. I think that was the requirement. The CMB was awarded later, as think it was authorized in Jan 45. Have his ERB in possession and both badges are listed as authorized. In 1951, after 10 years as a 1SG, he was commissioned on Old Baldy. No ORB from that point lists his CIB. I have no picture of him ever wearing the CIB and don't remember him doing so, although he did possess a CIB. Have orders on both CMBs. The question is did the Army authorize the CIB to medics at Regimental level in 44/45 and then rescind the orders with the creation of the CMB?
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COL Johnny Brooks - The guy who would know that level of detail is probably retired CSM Rob Rush. I am not sure if he is on RallyPoint or not. I sent him a note with your details. I'll pass on to you whatever he comes back with.
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COL Johnny Brooks - Got the following from CSM (Retd) Rob Rush, author of a number of very well detailed military history books, and former MNC-I Command Historian. Hope this helps---

"My guess is that his unit awarded him and other medics so that they would receive the additional $10 per month which was part of the CIB back then. Once the CMB was enacted and backdated to 1941, then the CIB went away through records checks.

The Combat Medical Badge (CMB), or Medical Badge as it was initially called, was established by the War Department in March 1945. It was created as a means to recognize the important role performed by medical personnel assigned or attached to infantry units, and who on a daily basis shared the same hazards and hardships of combat in World War II. The need to establish a badge for medical personnel was a result of the Combat Infantry Badge (CIB) being established on 27 October 1943 for the infantryman, who was subjected to the worst conditions in combat, sustained the most casualties and receiving very little, if any, recognition for their sacrifice and heroic actions. The CIB could only be awarded to infantrymen. While it was recognized that other personnel, like the medics, served along side these gallant soldiers, suffered the same hardships of combat, and often died on the battlefield treating their comrades, no exceptions were made for this prestigious award. This new infantryman's badge led to many requests and recommendations to create special combat badges for medical personnel and other components of the army; however the War Department disapproved all of these initiatives. The Army Medical Department continued its efforts to have a combat badge established for its personnel serving in infantry units. The War Department finally approved the Medical Badge for medical personnel in WD Circular 66, dated 1 March 1945, and made it retroactive to 7 December 1941. The approval of the Medical Badge did not include the $10.00 extra pay a month that was authorized to an infantryman who earned the CIB. While the issue of extra pay was being addressed, the infantryman certainly had no objections to the medic or "DOC", as he was commonly referred to in the unit, to receive equal pay. One infantry unit took matters in their own hands and took up a collection from its members for their medics who "shared their dangers but not their pay". In July 1945, extra pay was approved for medical personnel who served in infantry units. In February 1951, the war department approved the addition of stars to the CMB to indicate subsequent awards of the badge in separate wars or conflicts. Multiple awards of the CMB is limited to WW II, Korean Conflict and Vietnam. The rules for award of the CMB have been expanded to include Army medical personnel who served in armor and ground cavalry units during Desert Shied/Storm. Medical personnel of the Navy and Air Force who have been assigned or attached to similar Army units engaged in active ground combat may also be awarded the CMB. The CMB is one of the most coveted awards a "Soldier Medic" can earn and certainly has been and always will be the ultimate "Portrait of Courage"."
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MSgt George Cater
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Yes.
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SSG Section Chief
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Yes if they were in during the different conflicts.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
1stSgt Eugene Harless
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Its not based on conflicts, as far as I can discern, its based on time periods. There are single awards for eras, not locations.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless - I totally agree with you I just thought that Congress didn't officially declar "War"
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LtCol George Carlson
LtCol George Carlson
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There are only four period affecting living individuals: WW2; KOR; RVN' and GWOT (with the last still to have an end date assigned).
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SGM Erik Marquez
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LtCol George Carlson - Sir very close, with the flowing addition not ovbious when showing the 3rd period as just ... "RVN"
The CIB is authorized for award for the following qualifying wars, conflicts, and operations
There are 14 possible award periods, to include, eras, conflicts and individual operations, that are grouped into 4 qualifying events in four periods of time.
(1) World War II (7 December 1941 to 3 September 1945).
(2) Korean War (27 June 1950 to 27 July 1953).
(3) Republic of Vietnam Conflict. Service in the Republic of Vietnam Conflict (2 March 1961 to 28 March 1973) combined with qualifying service in Laos; Dominican Republic; Korea on the DMZ; El Salvador; Grenada; Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea; Panama; SWA Conflict; and Somalia; regardless of whether a Soldier has served one or multiple tours in any or all of these areas. The Republic of Vietnam Conflict Era officially terminated on 10 March 1995.
So Operation Urgent Fury, just Cause, Gothic Serpent all fell under the third qualifying time period..
(4) Global War on Terrorism (18 September 2001 to a date to be determined) (Afghanistan, OEF and OFS; Iraq, OIF and OND; OIR).
The 4th qualifying time period Global War covers everything there after.
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SFC Charles Temm
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remember seeing a couple of older NCOs wearing CIBs w/a star but that was 79-80 at the latest...they were MSGs or higher of course and to my 18 year old ass they seemed older than dirt then
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SGT Al Mount
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Most definitely, see Sgt. Reynolds excellent reply.
For those non-military folks, you must have carried an 11Bravo MOS
Mine was 11B4P, I'm proud to say. :-)
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MSG James Devereaux
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11 or 18 series
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SSG Byron Howard Sr
SSG Byron Howard Sr
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Never been to combat but I was 11B for my 1st 3 years very proud of that.
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I’ve seen a few stars on CIBs. Guys that were in Panama and Desert Storm then went to Afghanistan or Iraq would have the star. I got my CIB as a PFC in Desert Storm but no star in Afghanistan asi was a UH-60 Pilot, ferrying SF guys around.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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If you think the guy is suspect do a FOIA request and get his 214
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CWO4 Ray Whiteaker
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Yes. My father in law had second award Korea and Vietnam. I met an old LtGen back in 1973 that had two stars on his CIB. WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
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CW3 Robert Haffly
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I had a 1SG while assigned to the 2nd Sqdn, 11th ACR, stationed in Bad Kissingen, FROG in 1976 name of Billy Moore. He wore a CIB with 2 stars on it. WWII, Korea and Vietnam I assume.
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SGT Ronald Craft
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I'm a memberof the VFW have 3 members with this WW2 Korea Vietnam to me real American heros
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