Posted on Jun 19, 2016
Can you be so focused on inclusivity that it results in more division and hate?
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Is it me or is the current focus to be PC and inclusive resulting in more hate or perception of more hate?
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Thank you for bringing up such a touchy subject. I think this community in particular can have a real, civil, and respectful discussion versus other social media outlets. FB almost always degenerates into damaging flame throwing. Nobody will touch this subject with a ten foot pole in LinkedIn other than to gallup their moral high horse around. To answer your question, I am not sure it breeds "hate," but absolutely breeds resentment and paradoxically, divisiveness. (BTW: Keeping us divided is central to the two major parties ability to stay in power but I'll save that for another post). Back to my response: While no one can be against the idea of inclusiveness, its use is what drives further division. I think part of the problem is that the word "inclusive" is typically used to categorize people by race, gender, and political leanings, never by ideas, perspective, skill set, or background. It also seems like a one way street. Would anyone consider academia, the entertainment industry, or the news media, to say nothing of human resource detriments, inclusive of conservative white men? These are the more often than not the very people pushing inclusiveness - so yeah - I think it breeds resentment.
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Absolutely.
I look at a team as "the ultimate tool for accomplishing any mission". As with any tool, you can use it improperly and still complete your task (i.e. using the handle of a screwdriver to pound in a nail). The problem with doing this is tha it isn't efficient, and you wear out or even break the tool.
A good leader should not be looking at the sex, color or ethnicity of his troops. He should be concentrating on each individual's strengths and weaknesses so he can apply those attributes in an efficient manner. Doing this fosters a highly motivated TEAM that generates the same knowledge of individual attributes during training, which increases morale.
Motivated, trained and "well oiled" team that has high morale can accomplish ANYTHING.
Forget all tha PC shit.
I look at a team as "the ultimate tool for accomplishing any mission". As with any tool, you can use it improperly and still complete your task (i.e. using the handle of a screwdriver to pound in a nail). The problem with doing this is tha it isn't efficient, and you wear out or even break the tool.
A good leader should not be looking at the sex, color or ethnicity of his troops. He should be concentrating on each individual's strengths and weaknesses so he can apply those attributes in an efficient manner. Doing this fosters a highly motivated TEAM that generates the same knowledge of individual attributes during training, which increases morale.
Motivated, trained and "well oiled" team that has high morale can accomplish ANYTHING.
Forget all tha PC shit.
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If you look at diversity and inclusivity as "we need to make sure that we have this type of people or this race involved" then yes, in the spirit of including everyone you are categorizing everyone into groups, whites, blacks, women, Asians Etc. In the military the only discrimination should be rank and role. You don't want an E1 included in a CO briefing.
If you look at us and say we need this percentage of a rank to include this minority you are saying that minority is different and not treating everyone equally.
Full metal jacket sums it up perfectly to me. "You are no longer white or black, YOU ARE GREEN"
Stop treating visual differences as differences and equality begins to form and the content of character becomes the defining trait of a person.
If you look at us and say we need this percentage of a rank to include this minority you are saying that minority is different and not treating everyone equally.
Full metal jacket sums it up perfectly to me. "You are no longer white or black, YOU ARE GREEN"
Stop treating visual differences as differences and equality begins to form and the content of character becomes the defining trait of a person.
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A1C Lisa Casserly
Yes, so true... and also, you say that when diversity and inclusivity are an issue, you might not get the best people for the job. For example.. you are forming a demolitions team. Honestly, you don't need a E3 Personnel clerk, an E2 cook, an E5 from Morale and Welfare on the team! You want the best people for the job, no matter their age, race, sex, color, religion, whatever!!
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You are politically incorrect just for asking that question. How does that make you feel? ...and there is the answer to your question
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Capt Seid Waddell
CPT Jack Durish, Col (Join to see), I need a safe place to get away from all these triggers. LOL.
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PO3 Sandra Gomke
Being PC is making it so hard to speak these days. Really frustrating for those of us who qualify as "chatty". :)
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A1C Lisa Casserly
and another thing... A take off on what PO3 Sandra Gomke says... Being PC makes it hard to speak. And SPEAKING is what is going to help us iron out the problems. If we are not allowed to SAY ANYTHING how can we FIX ANYTHING??
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What bothers me most is the tendency to call everyone that disagrees a hater.
I don't think every life style is right, but there are not many people I hate.
I don't think every life style is right, but there are not many people I hate.
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SSG Daniel Brewster
Sounds like you are not inclusive enough, Don.
Lol, just kidding. But that's what many people think - that somebody else is wrong if they don't embrace your particular viewpoint. That's just crazy talk right there.
Lol, just kidding. But that's what many people think - that somebody else is wrong if they don't embrace your particular viewpoint. That's just crazy talk right there.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
The first thing you need to realize is that you are dealing with people whose intention is to destroy our country from within. They know exactly what they are doing and how to go about it. They are counting on normal people like you, "not many people I hate" you said.
So yes, everytime we do anything not according to their progressive agenda we will be racists, haters and so on. To know them is to defeat them at their own game. It is time to wake up and take stock of what is going on, not to do so is to follow the sheep into the slaughterhouse.
So yes, everytime we do anything not according to their progressive agenda we will be racists, haters and so on. To know them is to defeat them at their own game. It is time to wake up and take stock of what is going on, not to do so is to follow the sheep into the slaughterhouse.
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i live in the usa born there ,my familly came from europe itally, germany, poliand, and else ware, they leaned the langauge and survived, and served this country ww2, korea, vietnam, desert storm and oif/oef, my perception is that my people came to this country for freedom and did what it took to do it, i'm proud of my heritage but i'm american, not polish american, not itallian american, american period, we have a flag, we have a national anthem, respect that or go back to where ever you came from, in my 55 years of life i have seen so many struggles, womens rights, black rights, gay rights and applaud all the victories now its time to be americans and win back our rights as a country until then there will be a division, your american or not
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A1C Lisa Casserly
Yes, mine too... German, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. Came here in the 1860s. I'm generation SIX on American soil. We've enlisted and fought for this country from the Spanish American War and WWI onward. I'm proud of my heritage... but equally proud that we've enlisted and served since that first Casserly guy served with William the Conqueror in 1066... and probably before, but that's all we can track back at this time. I consider myself an American... not any of the things that make up what I am. Its time we all remember that... if you are HERE in this country, you are American... Not African-American, not Mexican American, not Polish or Italian or Jewish-Americans... All Americans. When we unite under THAT flag, the differences disappear. This is supposed to be a melting pot, not have pockets and communities of "the old country" with the old laws and rules and language.
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i believe in honoring your hertigage, i attend itallalian festivals but in the end i'm an american and thats what i honor the most
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Political Correctnes is the Opium of the masses, IT IS Destroying our country and delivered BY the progressive government and its media throlls
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A1C Lisa Casserly
So very true. I have this cousin... he's so open minded and liberal that I'm afraid his brain has fallen straight out of his head. He's so into screaming for the equal rights for every little group or topic that comes up, that he forgets that EVERYONE has a right to have an opinion, to speak THEIR truth... even if you don't agree.
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Capt Seid Waddell
A1C Lisa Casserly, it has been my experience that the liberals like to shout down or silence any opinion that is different from theirs. The most blatant examples I have seen take place on our campuses.
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This may be a bit small scale to what you are posing Sir, but a few years ago I had a situation which describes this almost to a "t". In our barracks in Germany we ended up with a younger Private with a room to himself due to a PCS. When we saw we had an incoming Private, we immediately allocated that Soldier that billet. There are other rooms with only one occupant but as this was the most junior of those Soldiers it only made sense to allocate that Soldier a roommate first. It all changed when our new Private actually arrived... You see, the junior Private with the room to himself happened to be Black. The new Private also happened to be Black. Our First Sergeant said we could not room these two Soldiers together because of that fact alone and how it would appear. So we placed this brand new Private in a room with a senior Specialist who, under the circumstances would normally have his own room in this situation and left the other Private in a room to himself. When you make a plan and then change that plan based solely on the factor of race once you learn it. You are inherently practicing discrimination...
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A1C Lisa Casserly
Capt Seid Waddell - yes!! Exactly. My husband and I were discussing this yesterday. If a white person is racist, he or she is a racist. But if a person of any other color - black, yellow, pink, purple - is racist, its "reverse racism", and there is an implication that its OK, that its kind of just getting back at the Racist white person. But, I say it doesn't MATTER. Any time one person is negative towards another based solely on the color of their skin, its racism. Doesn't matter who started it, doesn't matter who is doing it, its RACISM. Calling it "reverse" is saying its a lesser offense, when clearly its NOT.
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To a extent yes absoloutely. When every good "feel good" story has to be publicized. Back to the "everyone gets a ribbon" concept.
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CAPT Hiram Patterson
Or a trophy or a certificate. The same for we can't have valedictorians or salutatorians or wear National Honor Society accoutrements at high school graduations because it might make someone feel bad because they had lousy grades. Heck, I only had a C+ average and didn't mind a bit.
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