Posted on Mar 25, 2021
Can your Command volunteer a Service Member to have a minor medical test done?
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That's a new one on me. I would say no. And get ready to contact the IG
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How invasive is the test?
There is never a medical reason for a Soldier to to be treated with a pressure bandage, tourniquet or infused with 500-1000ml of saline during first aid and CLS training, but that still happens in training every week of the year.
i.e. you need to provide more information for a better answer.
There is never a medical reason for a Soldier to to be treated with a pressure bandage, tourniquet or infused with 500-1000ml of saline during first aid and CLS training, but that still happens in training every week of the year.
i.e. you need to provide more information for a better answer.
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There is no part of this training event that will be beneficial to the Soldier. It's for another unit's benefit. He's basically the guinea pig for the training event. Just curious, as I have never encountered being forced to undergo a medical test for the training benefit of another unit, with regards to myself or any of my Soldiers.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
If it is a blood draw, I don't see an issue. Of course there is no training value for the Soldier giving blood, just like there is no training value for the Soldier getting a fake compression dressing, and no training value for an 18D student getting an NG tube sunk to drain 50ml of stomach contents. The training value is for those performing the procedure.
That said, must be a lot of training if they need to go outside their own office to get enough blood draws for the training.
That said, must be a lot of training if they need to go outside their own office to get enough blood draws for the training.
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Do you mean something like a COVID 19 test? Something more invasive?
If you need to be tested for a pathogen, such as COVID 19, or drug use, then I can see an order to that effect being legal.
Possibly you're being "voluntold".
If you need to be tested for a pathogen, such as COVID 19, or drug use, then I can see an order to that effect being legal.
Possibly you're being "voluntold".
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff for what, I'm unsure of. Was told lipids, glucose, and another possibility, but I don't remember the name.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff It's not that serious. My Soldier was voluntold (not by me, but my LT), but he doesn't mind going to it. I had just never encountered this situation before and was looking for insight into it.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SFC (Verify To See) - When I went through medical training (Navy Hospital School), we practiced IV's and blood draws on each other ... NEVER on other service personnel. When we learned how to do NG tubes, or intubation, it was on actual patients, but UNDER CLOSE MEDICAL SUPERVISION. Today, they have mechanical models for most of that.
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There is a difference between training and testing. Which is it?
Training is (generally) A-OK. Testing, not so much.
Training is (generally) A-OK. Testing, not so much.
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The SM was voluntold, with no knowledge prior, that he will have a medical test done to him (I believe a blood draw for testing) as a training event for a medical unit. Just curious if a Soldier can be forced to undergo medical tests strictly for others training purposes.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SGT (Join to see) - He is not having a medical test "done to him." He is being used for TRAINING. The medical unit is doing a ROUTINE blood draw, and using his arm to train. Yes, this is perfectly OK. Just like using a Soldier's arm to train IVs, except a blood draw is even less evasive.
Having a medical test "done to him" would be injecting a new drug to see how it affects him, or trying out a new anaesthetic technique, or putting a tourniquet on and seeing how long it takes for him to lose complete feeling in an extremity.
Medics need to train, too. Trust me, you WANT them to be competent when the time comes.
Having a medical test "done to him" would be injecting a new drug to see how it affects him, or trying out a new anaesthetic technique, or putting a tourniquet on and seeing how long it takes for him to lose complete feeling in an extremity.
Medics need to train, too. Trust me, you WANT them to be competent when the time comes.
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Roger that, SFC. Was just curious as to the legality behind it. Couldn't find anything online or within my command to answer the question.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Roger. Not as of a few years ago when I was retiring. But medics still need to train on them, on SOMEONE....
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IT depends on the test. Is it for the service member's benefit - as in a concern for their health? Issues like chronic tiredness, inexplicable or sudden weight gain or loss, complexion (paleness could equal anemia) or other concerns.
Is it for a drug test? There has to be a legitimate reason for that, AND command involvement not just a supervisor's mere suspicion unless it's founded on things like unusual accidents, or inability to perform normal job junctions.
Training for medical personnel? Do you mean training for medical personnel to PRACTICE techniques like starting IV's or drawing blood? That would probably be something that's entirely VOLUNTARY and more, under competent MEDICAL SUPERVISION of the medical personnel. If it's NON-invasive ... like taking blood pressure, or eye tests, or applying splints, or a backboard, etc, then yes, a service member can be told to submit to that if it's to help train medical personnel.
Is it for a drug test? There has to be a legitimate reason for that, AND command involvement not just a supervisor's mere suspicion unless it's founded on things like unusual accidents, or inability to perform normal job junctions.
Training for medical personnel? Do you mean training for medical personnel to PRACTICE techniques like starting IV's or drawing blood? That would probably be something that's entirely VOLUNTARY and more, under competent MEDICAL SUPERVISION of the medical personnel. If it's NON-invasive ... like taking blood pressure, or eye tests, or applying splints, or a backboard, etc, then yes, a service member can be told to submit to that if it's to help train medical personnel.
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No, rallypoint is not going to get you out of having to go to CLS training.
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