Posted on Mar 27, 2016
Challenge coins. Do you use them, collect them, or both?
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I know they mean something to the older and saltier vets on here so this is geared more towards the younger folks like me. Personally I collect the ones I receive; on great occasion I buy one. I've sold most of the ones I've bought on impulse (yeah I was that boot) except for a few that I haven't been able to. I have yet, however, to run into a situation where I needed to use one (bar scenario).
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I received a beer bottle cap that this young soldier had flattened out between two rags so the cap wouldn't be destroyed. I had taken the time to help him through the death of a family member and he knew at the time that unit members were trading coins in the unit as a way of saying thanks and he had no coins to trade me so he came up with this novel idea of the beer cap. I remember the story in the bible Mark 12:41-44
The Widow’s Offering
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
This young man had no coin to give me so he made his own. When he gave it to me he looked me in the eye and pressed the cap into my hand. I thanked him and reciprocated with our "Red Bull" coin which he quickly pocketed to look at later. We both received a treasure that day.
The Widow’s Offering
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
This young man had no coin to give me so he made his own. When he gave it to me he looked me in the eye and pressed the cap into my hand. I thanked him and reciprocated with our "Red Bull" coin which he quickly pocketed to look at later. We both received a treasure that day.
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SPC David Shannon
I worked in Bn Command Group and received a coin from every important official I met/drove. I also helped design a coin used to commemorate our unit's Korea rotation.
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MSgt Andre Stringer
I have no need for and never earned that coined. It should be reserved for those who earned it the hard way and not PX warriors. My SpecOps friends laugh at those wannabes. That coin came into existence due to WW2 pilots. I see the pride when challenged the coins are pulled, slapped on the bar. Those who forgot to bring theirs have to buy the round. Old timers may remember metal on the bar in VFWs. It did not involve a coin. I have been sent 2 challenge coins, don't carry them because I did not earn them by just being a Marine grunt. It should be reserved for Seals, SF, Delta, Army Rangers rate but few people know that in the Fleet, FMF Marines are trained to that same level. We were told, you are not special, you are Marines and expected to perform at that level. I agreed and we don't need a coin to prove otherwise.
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1SG Garry Murdock
Well as a Salty Old Dog as stated originally, I have approximately 33 coins. And I assure you they were earned, not giving or purchased at the PX. And yes they all hold a special place in my heart. So to ask for one is not the correct thing to do SSG. And as for a Senior Non Com or Officer to receive one for doing their job while serving is an in correct statement in mind. Not saying it does not happen, because if a Fobbit receives a Bronze Star or higher then they are wrong in my mind unless something was done deserving the Bronze Star or LOM as you state.
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TSgt Jeremy Morris
That's doubtful. If someone try offered you $1M for one, you'd be crazy not to accept. Everything (material) has a price.
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MSgt (Join to see)
I'd sell my whole collection for $1M. Memories are great, but money is practical and I can set my kids up with a good college education and enough to start their own careers with $1M. The past is important, but don't give up your future by living in the past.
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MSgt (Join to see)
As a 2W0 (Ammo), we must carry one at all times. If we get coin checked, whether in the grocery store, bar or the flight line and we dont have one with us, we pay hell. It's tradition that unfortunately, is fading away with the younger crowd.
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PO1 Steven Ewing
I never saw one when I was on active duty. Can't even find one that represents a Navy Squadron I served in (VA-15, but coins for VFA-15 exist).
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CPT Daniel Cox
PO1 Bob Junke - It isn't a "new" thing.
My first coin was in 1981 with 7th Infantry Division DIVARTY. I got one with the 1-38th FA BN 2nd ID, G-3 2nd ID, and 2nd ID Division Staff coins. I was given one by the Commander of Chemical and MP Schools in 2003 on a courtesy visit after I had left the Army.
I have received several other non-Army ones since then.
I think I know why usage of challenge coins may have declined in the past 35 years. The only place I was ever challenged was an O-Club bar. When I was a young Lieutenant at Fort Ord in 1981-1982 and Korea 1982-1983 a lot of business was conducted at the O-Club. Every Officer I knew went there several nights a week at Fort Ord and every night in Korea. When I got stationed at TRADOC HQ as a staff officer in 1984 a lot had changed in the 18 months I was away. The O-Club at Fort Monroe, VA, was dead. I asked around my office and found out that no one wanted to be seen drinking. The same was true at Fort Eustis and most Army bases I visited. The culture was changing. After that, everywhere I went it seemed O-Clubs and Senior NCO Clubs became restaurants and not much else. O-Club bars went away because a DUI became a career-ending offense and the Army culture was moving away from its hard-drinking past.
My first coin was in 1981 with 7th Infantry Division DIVARTY. I got one with the 1-38th FA BN 2nd ID, G-3 2nd ID, and 2nd ID Division Staff coins. I was given one by the Commander of Chemical and MP Schools in 2003 on a courtesy visit after I had left the Army.
I have received several other non-Army ones since then.
I think I know why usage of challenge coins may have declined in the past 35 years. The only place I was ever challenged was an O-Club bar. When I was a young Lieutenant at Fort Ord in 1981-1982 and Korea 1982-1983 a lot of business was conducted at the O-Club. Every Officer I knew went there several nights a week at Fort Ord and every night in Korea. When I got stationed at TRADOC HQ as a staff officer in 1984 a lot had changed in the 18 months I was away. The O-Club at Fort Monroe, VA, was dead. I asked around my office and found out that no one wanted to be seen drinking. The same was true at Fort Eustis and most Army bases I visited. The culture was changing. After that, everywhere I went it seemed O-Clubs and Senior NCO Clubs became restaurants and not much else. O-Club bars went away because a DUI became a career-ending offense and the Army culture was moving away from its hard-drinking past.
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When I first made CSM, I had some coins made to give to my high performing Soldiers...we were going thru deployment training...then, out Battalon had coins made, and as I traveled around visiting our troops, I'd give out a couple to outstanding Soldiers...as I moved up...Battalion, Avn Trp Cmd, Trp Cmd, and installation, I felt honored to recognize our hard charging, high performing Soldiers.
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I have a few coins, but as I move up the ranks, it means more and is more deserved to my junior Soldiers. If you are over the rank of SFC and getting a coin in front of a formation for something tour troops did, you should be a little ashamed. A side bar that a boy is fine, but let tour troops shine in front of their peers.
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I received a gold coin from a commander of a unit because I pulled a Sailor out of a deadly situation. When the CO handed it to me, I felt as if it was the best thing I experienced in my career. I still have my coins and pull them out to look at them on occasion.
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I think nothing beats the traditional firm handshake for a job well done. Coins are nice but not necessary. I received a Gerber Multi-tool indirectly from my son's ground crew Master Chief and I will hold that multi-tool as more important than any coin I received during my career because it came from my son's crew chief for raising such a fine young officer.
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SSG Mark Madsen
Congratulations! How awesome to have your work in the home valued in such a tangible way. Our homes often suffer greatly from our service to our country, and an occasional success story is good to hear. Thank you for sharing yours!
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I think the whole challenge part of coins has died. My son has collected quite a few. I also have quite a few and have bought some as well. I think they tell a story of your military career.
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Most that I have bought are from bases, forts or stations I have been. I collect shot glasses as well. Just something to remind me where I've been. My son is with the White House Communications Agency for the Army and has giving me a few from Marine Security Detachments form around the world. But I agree maybe the challenge part of alcohol is better forgotten. We have enough problems as it is don't need to add the alcohol. The ones that have been earned are very special for sure!
Most that I have bought are from bases, forts or stations I have been. I collect shot glasses as well. Just something to remind me where I've been. My son is with the White House Communications Agency for the Army and has giving me a few from Marine Security Detachments form around the world. But I agree maybe the challenge part of alcohol is better forgotten. We have enough problems as it is don't need to add the alcohol. The ones that have been earned are very special for sure!
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SPC (Join to see)
I've done the challenge maybe twice at a bar, but otherwise I just collect the coins. I have them lined up in the order of the event/that I got them. Like my first coin, that I got at an RSP Drill is the first one in the line.
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SFC Jim Ruether
I don't think the units are spending the same amount as they used to in promoting their units history. Some NCO's are buying them and still using them to identify their rank when thanking an individual for doing a great job.
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SMSgt Mark Miller
MSgt (Join to see) - I retired in 1995 and even then the "rule" had changed in many units/places to "beverage of choice".
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I was a young SGT in a unit with an especially bad command climate. We worked hard, we gave the unit everything we had and we were highly successful. The unit was loath to give any recognition. So, a group of us very young NCOs had some coins made. (This was pre-internet). We found a guy in the Local town that made coins, he sold us a few dozen "blanks" and simply had them engraved with A CO 122 on one side and fuck'em on the other. We presented those to our top high-speeds. I believe those meant more to those young soldiers then any other award.
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Coins nowadays really don't mean much. They are given out so frequently and for the dumbest shit
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SP5 Paul Riley
When E'7's automatically get bronze stars for a deployment and everyone else gets a challenge coin for a job well done, leaves a bad taste.
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SGT Thomas Fisher
We had a BN Driver that stood there and told us he asked every high ranking officer for a coin when he took the LTC places. Usually he got one. So to me, that took away from the meaning of all those coins.
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SGT Robert Jensik
Some coins mean more than others. In the end, they're a slug of pot-metal, the meaning to you has more value than the coin itself. If they are substituted for LOAs then shame on the people doing that. The BEST thing by far I was ever given was a LOA from the Sergeant Major of the Army. Did I "earn" it? Well, for doing my job. It was however, a kind acknowledgement of just doing my job that personally touched the SMA enough to compose and sign a nice acknowledgement of what happened. I'd rather my relatives find that letter 100 years from now and UNDERSTAND why I got it, rather than any coin, no matter how nifty.
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That's fair comment. I got a 3-star coin for picking up a laptop charger from the office and dropping it off at lodging.
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I collect them they are precious memories of my career and I have only been challenged once and my coin was a 2 star his was a 1 star
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SSG Mark Madsen
My first station was in Germany (West, that is. At the time there was an East Germany) After PCS stateside I gave a 1 pfennig coin to a guy headed over for the first time. Back in the early 1980s a pfennig check could cause someone to have to buy a round for the group, and the newly arriving were usually the victims!
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CSM Charles Hayden
Challenge? Please enlighten me. I always thought thechalkenge was to have one from the unit you were/ had served in or to buy a round?
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SGT Cynthia Barnard
It is that but it can also be with others outside the unit and then it is who has higher coin
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I keep all of mine. I have over 40 of them and can remember when and why I received each one. Using them is slowly fading away. I've explained on more than one occasion on what "coining" means. We had a unit Dining Out in Dec, and one of the questions I asked the CDR was what are the rules of coining for the event. We established a solid set of quasi "rule" (I think they were to protect the innocent. We have 3 brand new 2LT's). Good times were had by all.
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I keep a Presidential Coin in my pocket. I've been challenged once or twice at the VFW or by old guys when they come to the school to teach a class. They never challenge me twice. Only good thing that ever came from Clinton. Lol
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I have taken duplicate unit coins I have received and passed them to deserving soldiers, telling them what I had done to deserve it.
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SP5 Paul Riley
that's nice Sir don't recall anyone ever getting promoted because someone gave them a challenge coins.
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SSG Mark Madsen
I would guess those have become very highly prized mementos of your service together. Great idea, Sir.
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SP5 Paul Riley - I do. When added as an NCOER comment, those accomplishments add-up.
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Challenge coins were not a thing when I was in the Navy (82-86). My son just finished his 2nd year of NROTC, and as I dropped him off at the airport to head to summer training, he gave me a 75th anniversary coin for his school's NROTC unit. Is that a "challenge coin?" It is about the size of a silver dollar, and very heavy.
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There was a day when only paratroopers had coins, usually after an initiation into a unit by a festivity known as a "Prop blast".
Thereafter, anyone caught without his coin, bought the challenger a drink.
Now look at it. Another tradition spoiled by legs who wannabe Airborne.
Thereafter, anyone caught without his coin, bought the challenger a drink.
Now look at it. Another tradition spoiled by legs who wannabe Airborne.
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MSG Scott Bradley
Yeah, coins were pretty damn rare in my early years of the Military. By the time I retired everybody was handing them out.
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SSG (Join to see)
So you have seen a lot... people hate feeling left out so it was inevitable that it would spread across the Army. Hope to hear more from you young soldiers can benefit from your years of experience... Thank you for picking up the sword!!!
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I have a few, but never used them to get a drink at the bar. I always felt that in it's history it had it's time. For me, it was a coin, and only at my last base did my fellow unit members go almost overboard with it. Somehow, it lost it's spirit at that point... It became more of a game and a way to ostracize someone who either never got one, or maybe left it at home. I still have mine and will treasure it always.
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They were only starting to come into Vogue in the Navy at the end of my Career but they are pretty cool and I've bought a couple and received one from a National Guard Co-Worker.
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Challenge Coins Were meant to mean something back in the days as to now it is a dog and pony show to receive one. Tradition has left the building as well as Customs and Courtesies. Let's go old school and bring back the Real Backbone.
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