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When I was in during the BDU era it always kind of bummed me out that all of our badges and patches on our uniforms were subdued. Obviously this made sense because they were sown on but with the advent of velcro patches and pin-on badges should soldiers in garrison have a full-color set to wear day to day?
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Keep the full colored patches and badges for dress uniforms not the ACUs or whatever the next generation of utility uniform is.
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SGT Robert Hawks
I agree the color badges should be for dress uniforms only not everyday work uniforms
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SFC William Swartz Jr
You are correct, outside of that fact, keep the badges and patches subdued on the utility uniforms.
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For all of you saying how tactical we are...
There's low crawling, slit your throat, silencer on my rifle tactical...and then thete is Bob-on-the-FOB tactical.
Bob needs subdued patches but is required to wear a freaking PT belt???
There's low crawling, slit your throat, silencer on my rifle tactical...and then thete is Bob-on-the-FOB tactical.
Bob needs subdued patches but is required to wear a freaking PT belt???
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The American flag is in full color while in garrison and is subdued while serving in a combat zone. Why then shouldn't the unit and combat patches be displayed in the same manner.
Additionally, since our colored patches have been taken away by way of the Army Service Uniform, and the only surviving vestige is a metal combat pin on the ASU, I think we can think of a way to reincorporate the colored patches back onto our uniforms.
Additionally, since our colored patches have been taken away by way of the Army Service Uniform, and the only surviving vestige is a metal combat pin on the ASU, I think we can think of a way to reincorporate the colored patches back onto our uniforms.
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I definitely agree 1SG Frank Rocha. The color of the patches helps connect us to our history.
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1.) There is no reason to be tactical in garrison
2.) We wear subdued unit patches, and a full-color US Flag. Consistency?
3.) The Army wants more understanding of unit history. Full color unit patches describe a unit's lineage.
4.) Velcro allows quick change to subdued when necessary
2.) We wear subdued unit patches, and a full-color US Flag. Consistency?
3.) The Army wants more understanding of unit history. Full color unit patches describe a unit's lineage.
4.) Velcro allows quick change to subdued when necessary
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It's a combat uniform. If we want to get "bling-y", how about Class B's wednesdays/Fridays or something of the sort?
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Or take a step back to ODs with colored patches in garrison and whatever the camo pattern of the week is with subdued in the field?
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Ignoring personal preference, let's look at it from a Logistical Standpoint.
The Army (Active, NG, Reserve) has "about" 1M people in it.
A single unit patch is "about" $5. Let's assume everyone will need an average of 3 (2x Unit + 1x SSI) . That brings us to a $15M "initial" expenditure.
What does the average soldier get out of it? Maintenance of one more piece of gear.
Now, all that said, I'm not opposed to the concept. If you're going to wear them, why not make them so they can be seen (if there is not a pressing need for them to be subdued)?
Do you have all your Flair? Yes, I have all my Flair? Well, I can't see your Flair! That's because my Flair is Subdued! If you're going to wear Subdued Flair, why wear Flair at all? Because you'll yell at me for not wearing Flair if I don't!
The Army (Active, NG, Reserve) has "about" 1M people in it.
A single unit patch is "about" $5. Let's assume everyone will need an average of 3 (2x Unit + 1x SSI) . That brings us to a $15M "initial" expenditure.
What does the average soldier get out of it? Maintenance of one more piece of gear.
Now, all that said, I'm not opposed to the concept. If you're going to wear them, why not make them so they can be seen (if there is not a pressing need for them to be subdued)?
Do you have all your Flair? Yes, I have all my Flair? Well, I can't see your Flair! That's because my Flair is Subdued! If you're going to wear Subdued Flair, why wear Flair at all? Because you'll yell at me for not wearing Flair if I don't!
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I do think it is an interesting idea. I would offer that maybe we find a away to wear our unit patch on the ASU. The ACU is a duty uniform, so I would keep it the way it is (minus getting rid of all the Velcro).
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LTC (Join to see) - Sir, I hope that they DO bring back the unit patches sewn onto the ASUs. I think it would be good to get rid of the pins and go back to the patches. The "combat pin" I think is cost-ineffective, and just creates an added expense. Probably the biggest benefit that I can see is that it is easy to identify on a DA photo who is a combat veteran.
It would be yet another way of distinguishing us from bus-drivers.....
v/r,
CPT Butler
It would be yet another way of distinguishing us from bus-drivers.....
v/r,
CPT Butler
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SSG (Join to see)
When you look at the cost of the patch + sewing vs the pin-on, you about break even.
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I don't mind the color patches...although I think that they are better served on the dress uniforms than the service uniforms. The only utility uniform I can think of that I enjoyed the color patches on was the old greens with the white/black name tapes and color insignia. On a camouflage insignia create confusing signals.
I hate to say it, but I don't think we are far from the days of wearing Class A/B uniforms to work....
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CPT Butler
I hate to say it, but I don't think we are far from the days of wearing Class A/B uniforms to work....
v/r,
CPT Butler
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CPT Michael Barden - Exactly. Back in the day, those who worked in offices wore Class Bs as a matter of course. Even during the height of the GWOT, Pentagon leadership grew tired of seeing field uniforms in the Pentagon, and directed those assigned back into their Class A or B uniforms.
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I think there are occasions in garrison where this would be appropriate. Units that have done this (Ranger Regiment, 1st ID), they really stand-out and look good. It is a way to build pride and esprit-de-corps in the unit without forcing the dress uniform on the soldiers.
Pictures of my dad in his utilities with colored patches were always my favorite (Korean War and Vietnam veteran).
Pictures of my dad in his utilities with colored patches were always my favorite (Korean War and Vietnam veteran).
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CW5 (Join to see)
Indeed, the Big Red One has units that have gone a year DUI free wear the non-subdued patch. They also wear it for ceremonial occasions. It really stands out.
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He is one from your friendly neighborhood SM
You can only wear the full colored US Flag while in Garrison .
Then why aren’t the unit patches in full color ?
You can only wear the full colored US Flag while in Garrison .
Then why aren’t the unit patches in full color ?
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I'd definitely go for it. I believe it would help remember the traditions.
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SGT James Elphick
That's what I was thinking. Reminiscent of our "ancestors" who wore the colored patches in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam
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My home company just got moved from the 157th MEB to the 32nd BCT. The 32nd is the "Red Arrow." The patch and the unit have a rich history. I would love to be able to wear a RED arrow, instead of a subdued arrow.
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