Posted on Oct 10, 2014
LTC Jason Strickland
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Blackwater founder Erik Prince says contractors should lead the fight against the Islamic State...what say you, o wise RallyPoint members?

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PFC Clayton Struthers
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Absolutely not. BW/Ix/WTFthenameisthisweek, appearing before any government official, in public, has only one goal: more taxpayer dollars. It's an insult, to the American People, and the Soldiers who have fought and died for this Nation. Seeing these people in the spotlight, even for a second, is disgusting in the extreme, it almost like they think we have forgotten their conduct previously, but just my "opinion"
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LTC Jason Strickland
LTC Jason Strickland
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PFC Clayton Struthers, your "opinion" counts! Thanks for the comment.
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SSG(P) Instructor
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Why is it that we can say no boots on the ground, or we have ended the war in Afganistan, or pulled the troops out, but this only applies to US military? We could have PMC all over the AO providing contingent security, VIP security, and armored transport....and be spending a lot more money paying them...but the general public is okay with it because Johey and Suzy aren't in harms way anymore. Am I the only one that sees through this charade?
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1LT Fccme
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Sounds like the biggest political cop-out for those in DC. Granted, I understand that some of the most talents ex-military professionals gravitate and continue their profession in contracting, but it all sounds like a proposition to allow politicians to say "we didn't put boots on the ground!" to save their own political careers. Who's going to pay for them? They're not just going to go fight ISIS on their own dime because they "feel" like its the right thing to do. Tax paying dollars are going to get spent, which then you might as well just use the Military
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SSG Dwight Welsh
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Sounds good to me.

Also give them carte blanche to handle it how they need to without any ROE!!!!
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SrA Jeff Campbell
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Puff the Magic Dragon hits Taliban
Reuters ^
Posted on 10/15/2001 8:17:35 PM by edhawk

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military on Monday attacked Afghan targets around the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar with an Air Force Special Forces AC-130 gunship, one of the most devastating weapons in America's air arsenal, a senior defense official said. The official, who asked not to be identified, said it was the first time the four-engine turbo-prop aircraft had been used in the nine-day air campaign against Taliban military and guerrilla training camps in Afghanistan (news - web sites). ``It lays down withering fire,'' said the official, who declined to say exactly what target the aircraft, which is operated by Air Force Special Forces troops, was used against.
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SrA Jeff Campbell
SrA Jeff Campbell
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So if we used this fighting strategy against the Taliban, HELLO GOVERNEMENT...WAKE UP!!! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY to get rid of these ISIS militants.....how about introducing the Magic Dragon to these EVIL PEOPLE!!
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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I hear Boeing is considering remaking this aircraft for the Light Attack Aircraft proposal. These with the Pratt and Whittney PT-6's as the engines would make one nice lethal combination
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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Yeah thats a good idea. Best bang for the buck is paying a Black water or Triple Canopy 200,000 a pop makes sense. /sarcasm
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
SFC Benjamin Varlese
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EP is actually a decent guy and took pretty good care of his guys. It was DoS and POG military attaches (0-3 and above types) that caused the most headaches for us. We were paid a fair wage for the work we did generally and conducted ourselves more professionally than a lot of military service members Ive encountered in my career. How many in this forum would honestly take a bullet or generally risk their life for Hillary or Kerry? Don't let your ignorance drive intolerant trains of thought sir.
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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I would say a couple hundred g's a fair salary for sure. I still stand on my contempt for the organization that caused a lot of flack. Security details are one thing but sending them out to do the military combat job is another. There contractor pilots RPA's for the Army they are not release weapons. Guard Guys on title 32 are not allowed to release weapons. Only people on title 10 orders are. Its a violation of LOAC.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
SFC Benjamin Varlese
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I was making $525 a day as a designated defensive marksman (sniper), and after a year contract cleared roughly $164k BEFORE taxes which were roughly $35k after deductions. The average PSD was making $500 and even the Program manager wasn't making more than $600 a day, neither of which especially after taxes even with holiday and completion bonuses equated to over $200k. Contrary to what Jeremy Scahill and other hacks would have you believe, the only guys making the big money ($700-$800 a day) were on the OGA contracts lsimilar to Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods were in Benghazi. Again, a little knowledge goes a long way.
The company didn't cause the majority of flak, and it's actions have been blown out of proportion by people who interjected themselves into the investigation for political purposes, service members speaking out of turn out from jealousy, fear or ignorance and lack of real understanding, and by the Iraqis who are systemically and endemically deceitful and corrupt. Additionally, almost all Blackwater contractors were working for the State Department (DSS specifically) not DOD so they were and still are held to a completely different set of guidelines and regulations for everything from alcohol consumption to ROE and EOF. Again, all of this easily searchable information.
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Capt Douglas Chilson
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Benjamin, If you were making $200K then the US Govt was paying Prince 5x that amount to send you over there; and That is my point - unskilled contractors are NOT WORTH the $1M+ per year taxpayers are paying to send them over.

Also, Your earlier statement about "100% of the Contractors being prior service or law enforcement" - I know first hand that more than 80% of Blackwater's 'soldiers' are Not prior service, and that greater than 50% of them Did apply only to me passed over for enlistment; that's not who I'd want covering my six.
Though only one of my tours involved Blackwater mercs in a combat role; they were disrespectful, unskilled, either did not know or had not been briefed on local ROEs, hindered OUR performance at every turn, and just were NOT worth the liability NOR insane amount we were paying for them.

If Prince wants to send Mercs, he should pay for them on his Own; and take responsibility for them on his Own.
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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I believe the last time contractors, specifically Blackwater, took the lead on a mission in Iraq, there was a lot of collateral damage and dead bystanders. That caused the regular Army unit that went in next to secure the site and clean things up to take the brunt of the civilian backlash...not to mention the AQI propaganda that ensued. No good could come from a COA like this against the current threat.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
SFC Benjamin Varlese
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With all due respect Master Sergeant, I was there working for that company and am good friends with some of the guys wrapped up in that witch hunt court case that's drawing to a close. The Nissour Square shooting was turned into a political dog and pony show by the same mental midgets that claimed there were no WMD's in Iraq and because Iraqis are deceitful con artists who will say anything for a buck. Their vehicles were marred by bullet holes from enemy SAF, and all those men were prior service or former law enforcement. Their word is as good as any of ours and I would hope that any one of us would have better support from fellow service members. Additionally, we were held to higher standards than the military as far as ROE and EOF. I fired two rounds into an enemy sniper and had to fill out a detailed statement which was read and reviewed by my entire chain of command, then sit before a review board for several hours explaining my actions. These guys did the same thing and were cleared by the DSS RSO's on that board the following day. Of the thousands of rounds I've fired in the military, I only ever had one 15-6 investigation that went away after a 30 minute interview.
Regardless, no one should go into Iraq or Syria. It's not our problem and it's not worth the cost in money or lives
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1SG Steven Stankovich
1SG Steven Stankovich
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Thank you SFC Benjamin Varlese for your perspective and insight. I have only heard the point of view and response from the management of that company, not from one who was on the ground. Secondly, I have also only heard first hand from the units that worked that A/O during and after the incident and the increased issues that they had to deal with. I appreciate your response.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
SFC Benjamin Varlese
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I can be a little terse and tactless, but it's a sore subject and gets me a little heated MSG. The company press release was a PR wash done by admin pukes back in Moyock who didn't have all the details or facts. Erik Prince himself did come to speak with us and that specific team shortly after it happened and genuinely seemed concerned for our well being. I'm not sure which units you spoke with, but the few I remember helping to secure the scene, most were not combat arms and those that were are parted of a debated feud between MOS's as to that fact.
Again, what's done is done, and Iraq nor Syria is worth another American military or PMC life. It's time for them to put on their big boy pants and fight for themselves
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SSG Jason Hopkins
SSG Jason Hopkins
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I agree SSG I was a sniper team leader in Ramadi in 05-06 we had a family claim that we tied them up and destroyed their house...we where not even in that house. These Iraqi's will say anything and everything. To take their word over the contractors is criminal. On the other hand I do believe that we need to do something to stop ISIS, not because of what they are doing to Iraq but because we do not need another extremist government like Iran (only worse). I believe that once they finish with Iraq they will turn their efforts to US interests. We should stop them. I do not this it would take much and if you gave the contractors Javelin missles then they could counter any threat ISIS could pose with out a problem. I actually think small teams is the way to go. We dont need a division of troops to stop them. So far they have faced middle eastern armies which we all know are not very good. Look at how the kurds have basically stopped them with little training and out of date weapons. Put some teams of contractors in there and stopping them becomes defeating them. I think it would be a pretty short affair with out the insurgency that we say before because of the ISIS brutality. Most people in the occupied areas dont want ISIS so destroy them and maybe the country will finally be semi peaceful since they have now seen the other side of the coin.
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