Posted on Jun 11, 2014
SFC Scott O.
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On Camp Casey, KS we have a new Duty on the weekend. Courtesy Patrol to ensure Soldiers are shaving, and staying within the 2ID civilian clothing standards. Everyone is briefed on unauthorized clothing when going through WRC, and they even have posters that give examples of unauthorized clothing. Why can Soldiers, NCO's, and Officers not get right. This just blows my mind.
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It's needed because too many NCOs and officers lack the knowledge, will, and intestinal fortitude to make on the spot corrections and enforce standards, in general.
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SGT Shaul Funt
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I think it's one big BS
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SGT Shaul Funt
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I feel that big brother from The boik 1984 is watching.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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Because everyone inteprets the regulations differently. For instance, torn clothing is not allowed. I do not considered jeans that are brought with frayed patches (not see through) as torn. Would This would be an example of torn jeans, should these jeans be authorized on post?
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Jeans should either be hemmed and fixed or thrown away if they get like this. Denim is not meant to look like this.
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The Army formula for addressing perceived shortcomings has become nearly rote at this point: identify the infraction, chapter the offender, develop a large program to address the small issue.

This is a classic example. A Courtesy Patrol to enforce clothing and shaving standards is offensive and insulting to the Non-Commissioned Officer corps. Policing those issues is our job at all times and should not require an additional duty.

Another example is the Annual Training outlined in 350-1. Rather than trust squad leaders and platoon sergeants to provide the required training, it is tracked at INSCOM level (for personnel under INSCOM) and trained via PowerPoint that Soldiers speed through without reading and guess at answers until they achieve a passing grade.

To answer your question, SSG Osborne- there is a percentage of Soldiers who will always do what they want instead of what they should. The Army has required leaders to promote them against the leaders' judgment, which means they become NCOs who don't enforce standards. Officers are paired with NCOs at every level to help guide their military decision making, but because we have so many NCOs who do "earn their respect and confidence", many officers do not trust their NCOs. This leads to further reduction of authority held by NCOs, and the cycle begins again.
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PO1 G. Leslie /Stiltner
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More Briefs, Some live examples!! Maybe we need to invest some $ to do a study as to why people cant follow simple dress codes!!
Really the Army is requiring people to shave on their off days!! They are telling them what civilian clothes they can and cannot wear? Maybe I need a brief, can you Brief me on what 2ID and WRC are maybe then I can better grasp this discussion!!
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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I was stationed at Camp Casey back in 1997-98. We had CPs both in TDC and on post.

Nice to see that we've come a long way in the past 16 years...
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