Posted on Nov 2, 2014
CSM sentenced for wearing/claiming fake medals. What do you think of his penalty?
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So I was perusing Army Times and saw this little Gem:
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
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I am not defending his actions but 6 months of jail for wearing unauthorized badges? What about those senior leaders that been in the news lately for sexual assault and things like that and they get to retire quietly? Or that full bird that was using tdy money to parade his mistress everywhere and lost one rank? Usually the enlisted leaders seem to be the ones getting hammered while the officers just lose some money but get to keep everything else for worse crimes.
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CMSgt James Nolan
I can see an honest mistake, really can, but to outright add and embellish is just goofy. The impersonating idiots who make stolen valor walls of shame are one thing, but a CSM? At that point you have WON. So hard to make to E-9 in any branch-that alone should make you proud as hell at accomplishments. Makes me scratch my head in wonder.
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If this would have been anyone else they would have been reduced to PVT. and received a BCD. He should be lucky it got what he did. But I still don't think it was enough. He dishonored the very uniform that we as Soldiers wear an defend everyday. If I remember right he also claimed these awards in his Army Resume (Bio) post at Walter Reed website and one he had at the SGM Acamdy.
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Sir you are right the BCD is handed down by a court marshal, but an OTH is given for separations. An I have had the oppertunity to see court marshals while serving in Germany. All the Soldiers received time reduced to PVT and given BCD. The best thing Sir is to ask before you assume that Enlisted Soldiers don't know what is going on. As the enlisted Soldiers is the one processing the actions that the Commander has requested. I had the great position as the unit legal clerk so I did a lot of seperation packets. Was a key part of 5 court marshals. I would have to say I have not had to sit on a panel for any court marshal, but if called I would not have a problem doing my part as a member of the panel.
SGT Walden you are pointing out great things that I am sure was not done do to the Court Marshal. An with the Judge handing down the punishment (now this is from what I read in the attached artical) as it did not mention a panel. Now the CSM did plead guilty to all charges but then he ask for consideration for his family. Now the prosecutor wanted 25 years for CSMs actions that spanned 8 years an he used that to gain consideration for positions. So his actions was not some slap on the hand offence. An he got what the judge felt was fare, he did make false official statements an said he wore unauthorized awards. But like many have said he got off easy. In my view he didn't get what was deserved.
SGT Walden you are pointing out great things that I am sure was not done do to the Court Marshal. An with the Judge handing down the punishment (now this is from what I read in the attached artical) as it did not mention a panel. Now the CSM did plead guilty to all charges but then he ask for consideration for his family. Now the prosecutor wanted 25 years for CSMs actions that spanned 8 years an he used that to gain consideration for positions. So his actions was not some slap on the hand offence. An he got what the judge felt was fare, he did make false official statements an said he wore unauthorized awards. But like many have said he got off easy. In my view he didn't get what was deserved.
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MSG/SGT He's liar not criminal. I believe reduction and separation from the service should be enough punishment for his misconduct. He disgrace the military, but so are the soldiers that overweight, APFT failures etc.. do we send them to jail NO. Back in the 90's CSM of the army was reduce to E-8, and force to retire for sexual assault and obstruction of justice. We seen a lot of soldiers get a DUI but given a second chance. He's misconduct is unprofessional but never put lives in danger. Remember in some point of his military career that he gave and sacrifice everything that's why he made CSM. Everybody deserve a second chance.
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MSG (Join to see)
So for 6 years he wore unauthorized awards and medals and used that to gain positions. That right there is crimal. He stole positions from Soldiers that were quailed wher he was not. He also gave more then one false statement to protect his crimal activity. Then to top it all off he used his family as pawns to get a pass for all his crimal actions.
I will asked you this, if you were the judge and listened to the case against the CSM and you were able to hand down the punishment for the actions that he did for the past six years prior to his removal as the CSM for Walter Reed. What you have given him?
I will asked you this, if you were the judge and listened to the case against the CSM and you were able to hand down the punishment for the actions that he did for the past six years prior to his removal as the CSM for Walter Reed. What you have given him?
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MSG/ I'm not sure if your familiar with the senior NCO promotion board system. There is no way he got promoted or gain position because of fake award. If the awards you wearing does not match what is in your official military records it will hurt you more than help you to get ahead of your peers.
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If I was king for a day, I agree with MAJ Petrarca,
Stand them up in front of the entire group, defrock, and explain to them that it is pathetic, a disgrace, and there is no need for a CSM to be a PX Ranger.
I d sink him...through and through.
Worst part is that he is supposed to be an example for all, and he KNOWS better.
Stand them up in front of the entire group, defrock, and explain to them that it is pathetic, a disgrace, and there is no need for a CSM to be a PX Ranger.
I d sink him...through and through.
Worst part is that he is supposed to be an example for all, and he KNOWS better.
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At the rank of CSM he knew what he was doing and with disregard to time served and the morals and values taught along the way in all the NCOES and daily grind he went through....he is a disgrace as a leader!
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SPC Timothy Durette
agree without any argue with truth to the core values for witch they are meant to stand for all service members
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SFC(P) (Join to see) Thank you for sharing this. It seems, especially as a CSM, you should know better. Scratch that. He KNEW better and this was an intentional act. Lets see, reduction to E-6, but, please correct if I am wrong, he retires with his high three base pay percentage after release from confinement. Since he is receiving an honorable or general under honorable conditions discharge he will also be eligible for VA benefits.
Not nearly enough punishment for disgracing the Army, tarnishing the image of all who serve honorably, and hurting his Soldiers and his family.
Not nearly enough punishment for disgracing the Army, tarnishing the image of all who serve honorably, and hurting his Soldiers and his family.
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We can't publicize this victory enough. No more false valor - from civilian posers or military ones. The courts made clear, from here on out -- this offense will be punished.
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Have to wait and see what happens to LTC Gerald Green from the MCoE. Caught wearing Ranger and Sapper tabs that he wasn't authorized...if he gets 6 months in jail then this will seem appropriate.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
Hey when you start adding tabs, badges, and other items to ones uniform that ones doesn't have authorization to wear is a one of the biggest no no in the Military. As a Command Sergeant Major he should of known better. Lt Colonel Green being a freaking Officer he should of both knew better and been trained not to wear anything that he wasn't authorized to wear while he was in training. I mean it takes what 20+ years to become a Lt. Colonel, so it not like he just got out of Officer training and forgot. Same the the Command Sergeant Major in question here, he just didn't get out of Basic/AIT himself, he has spent years in the military, he knew the rules and regulation, as well as help in enforcing the very rules and regulation he got caught violating. No excuses what so ever for it.
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LTC (Join to see)
LTC Green and I served together in Kosovo 5+ years ago. He was claiming to be both at that time as well...this is not a new thing for him...much like the CSM...I am very interested to see if a LTC is punished with the same veracity as the CSM...if he isn't, then I would vote that the CSM's punishment is too harsh.
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At this time it looks as if LTC Green will get Administrative punishment (Loss of Command and a letter of reprimand?). Therefore I have to change my stance on SSG Crump and say that jail time was too harsh. Know I can't change my vote but he got a raw deal compared to the LTC.
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Hello, he was the CSM at Walter Reed when I was stationed there. From my interaction with him he was a great leader and great soldier. I never attended one of his boards while I was there. However, I did hear quite often that he would kick soldiers out for not having their records correct. I find this hypocritical because of the fact that he had false records on his ERB.
I did have the opportunity to have a luncheon with him where he told his story. Now to find out that most of that information was a lie. From what I have heard of his actual record he didn't need to lie about anything.
It breaks my heart that soldiers need to falsify records. Just be honorable in your service and certain things will happen (ex: awards, locations, friends, etc).
I could care less how many awards someone has. If you volunteered and served honorably. You served your country the best you could in my book.
The reason I voted not enough is that since he was in such a high leadership position (this isn't right to do at any rank) and lied to everyone about what he had done that his sentence wasn't enough. Now, I am sympathetic for his family but this is a serious problem that is happening in our society. We just need to make sure that everyone knows that this won't stand. If we let our service men and women get off with a light jail sentence and still retire at a decent rank. What does they tell the rest of the service men and women that want to do it.
I am eager to see what others have to say.
-Army Strong
I did have the opportunity to have a luncheon with him where he told his story. Now to find out that most of that information was a lie. From what I have heard of his actual record he didn't need to lie about anything.
It breaks my heart that soldiers need to falsify records. Just be honorable in your service and certain things will happen (ex: awards, locations, friends, etc).
I could care less how many awards someone has. If you volunteered and served honorably. You served your country the best you could in my book.
The reason I voted not enough is that since he was in such a high leadership position (this isn't right to do at any rank) and lied to everyone about what he had done that his sentence wasn't enough. Now, I am sympathetic for his family but this is a serious problem that is happening in our society. We just need to make sure that everyone knows that this won't stand. If we let our service men and women get off with a light jail sentence and still retire at a decent rank. What does they tell the rest of the service men and women that want to do it.
I am eager to see what others have to say.
-Army Strong
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