Posted on Jan 20, 2015
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From "The DEBKAfile"
http://www.debka.com/article/24352/Israel%E2%80%99s-climb-down-over-Golan-air-strike-We-didn%E2%80%99t-know-Hizballah%E2%80%99s-convoy-carried-high-Iranian-officers
Israel’s climb-down over Golan air strike: We didn’t know Hizballah’s convoy carried high Iranian officers
Israel Tuesday, Jan. 20, used Western and Arab media outlets for "clarification” to Tehran of the purpose of its air strike over the Golan Sunday, asserting that Revolutionary Guards Gen. Mohammad “Ali Allah Dadi and his staff of five were not known to be traveling in the Hizballah convoy and were not the target.
“We thought we were hitting an enemy field unit that was on its way to carry out an attack on us at the frontier fence,’ a senior security official in Tel Aviv informed the media. “We went on the alert, we spotted the vehicle, identified it as an enemy vehicle and took the shot,” he said, adding: “We saw this as a limited tactical operation.”
This semi-apology, say debkafile’s military and intelligence sources, was intended to tell Tehran that had Israeli intelligence identified the group of high-ranking Iranian officers in the Golan convoy, the air strike would have been called off. There was no reason why an intelligence mistake should cause a broad or even a limited military showdown between Iran and Israel, was the implied message.
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Interesting. Now do you think that Iran is going to accept Israel's "Ooops, sorry about that." without further payment? Or is the Iranian government going to "show itself as the face of peace" by acknowledging that mistakes do happen?]
http://www.debka.com/article/24352/Israel%E2%80%99s-climb-down-over-Golan-air-strike-We-didn%E2%80%99t-know-Hizballah%E2%80%99s-convoy-carried-high-Iranian-officers
Israel’s climb-down over Golan air strike: We didn’t know Hizballah’s convoy carried high Iranian officers
Israel Tuesday, Jan. 20, used Western and Arab media outlets for "clarification” to Tehran of the purpose of its air strike over the Golan Sunday, asserting that Revolutionary Guards Gen. Mohammad “Ali Allah Dadi and his staff of five were not known to be traveling in the Hizballah convoy and were not the target.
“We thought we were hitting an enemy field unit that was on its way to carry out an attack on us at the frontier fence,’ a senior security official in Tel Aviv informed the media. “We went on the alert, we spotted the vehicle, identified it as an enemy vehicle and took the shot,” he said, adding: “We saw this as a limited tactical operation.”
This semi-apology, say debkafile’s military and intelligence sources, was intended to tell Tehran that had Israeli intelligence identified the group of high-ranking Iranian officers in the Golan convoy, the air strike would have been called off. There was no reason why an intelligence mistake should cause a broad or even a limited military showdown between Iran and Israel, was the implied message.
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Interesting. Now do you think that Iran is going to accept Israel's "Ooops, sorry about that." without further payment? Or is the Iranian government going to "show itself as the face of peace" by acknowledging that mistakes do happen?]
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Posted 11 y ago
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COL Ted Mc, I'll take the Israeli government at its word, but in response to your question:
"Or is the Iranian government going to 'show itself as the face of peace' by acknowledging that mistakes do happen?"
Iran, the "face of peace"? I don't see that happening, sir. Just my personal opinion.
"Or is the Iranian government going to 'show itself as the face of peace' by acknowledging that mistakes do happen?"
Iran, the "face of peace"? I don't see that happening, sir. Just my personal opinion.
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COL Ted Mc
CW5 (Join to see) Mr. Montomery; I did say "show" not "be". This is a really great opportunity for some good PR for the Iranians.
Do I believe that they are as "peaceful" as they say they are? Not a chance. Do I think that they are as "non-peaceful" as the US government says they are? Not a chance. Do they have a justifiable grievance against the United States of America? Well, if you don't count the fact that the US governments funded Saddam Hussen's regime in an (almost) eight year long war against Iran and provided Saddam Hussein's regime with (at least the capacity to build) WMD to be used on the Iranians, absolutely not. I mean, the Iranians had absolutely no right to toss out an American backed absolute monarchy and install their own government without the permission of the American government. Right?
Do I believe that they are as "peaceful" as they say they are? Not a chance. Do I think that they are as "non-peaceful" as the US government says they are? Not a chance. Do they have a justifiable grievance against the United States of America? Well, if you don't count the fact that the US governments funded Saddam Hussen's regime in an (almost) eight year long war against Iran and provided Saddam Hussein's regime with (at least the capacity to build) WMD to be used on the Iranians, absolutely not. I mean, the Iranians had absolutely no right to toss out an American backed absolute monarchy and install their own government without the permission of the American government. Right?
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SSG Charles Coats
Great point regarding the Iran/Iraq War with regard to U.S./Iranian relations sir. Also, a Shah backed monarchy that had the Savak as it's private, torturing, secret, police force. Americans have been mislead (to say the least) when it comes to Iranian history with America in that, they think our history started when the hostage crisis happened in 1979, not realizing that it goes back to 1953, and even earlier.
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An update from "The Jerusalem Post"
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Israel-says-leaked-report-of-Netanyahu-Mossad-rift-on-Iran-sanctions-is-Obamas-revenge-388554?utm_source=Newsletter+1-22-2015&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email
srael source says leaked report of Netanyahu-Mossad rift on Iran sanctions is 'Obama's revenge'
Israeli officials in Jerusalem told Army Radio on Thursday that a report in Bloomberg highlighting the rift between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the vaunted intelligence agency Mossad over Iran sanctions was “the Obama administration’s revenge” over the Republican-controlled Congress’ invitation to the premier to speak before a joint session without consulting the White House.
According to the report, officials from Mossad have lobbied Congressional and administration officials to refrain from imposing new sanctions against Iran for fear that it would lead to a collapse of the Western powers’ talks with the Islamic Republic over its nuclear program.
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Which does lead one to believe that the killing of the Iranian general was NOT something done after due deliberation. You can expect that some low-level heads with "officially" roll.]
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Israel-says-leaked-report-of-Netanyahu-Mossad-rift-on-Iran-sanctions-is-Obamas-revenge-388554?utm_source=Newsletter+1-22-2015&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email
srael source says leaked report of Netanyahu-Mossad rift on Iran sanctions is 'Obama's revenge'
Israeli officials in Jerusalem told Army Radio on Thursday that a report in Bloomberg highlighting the rift between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the vaunted intelligence agency Mossad over Iran sanctions was “the Obama administration’s revenge” over the Republican-controlled Congress’ invitation to the premier to speak before a joint session without consulting the White House.
According to the report, officials from Mossad have lobbied Congressional and administration officials to refrain from imposing new sanctions against Iran for fear that it would lead to a collapse of the Western powers’ talks with the Islamic Republic over its nuclear program.
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Which does lead one to believe that the killing of the Iranian general was NOT something done after due deliberation. You can expect that some low-level heads with "officially" roll.]
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If I was the Prime Minister of Israel and my intelligence agency told me that a high ranking military official from a country that has publicly announced the complete destruction of my country and it's people was travelling in a country that is supporting IS, that has pledged the same destruction and has acted on it previously...I would take the shot!
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
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COL Ted Mc
I would have been tempted to take the shot as well - if I really didn't care about the long-term effects I might even have taken it.
PS - Contrary to the loudly proclaimed position of those who should know better, the Iranians have NOT pledged the "complete destruction of the (Jewish) population of Israel (or any other place for that matter). They have announced their determination to "eliminate" the STATE of Israel (often citing "historical" justifications which are just as shaky as the Israeli's "historical" justifications for having a country).
Face it, the Israelis seized their country through force of arms (the "historically acceptable" way of doing it) and they are going to keep it until someone bigger/tougher/sneakier comes along and takes it away from them through force of arms.
PS - Contrary to the loudly proclaimed position of those who should know better, the Iranians have NOT pledged the "complete destruction of the (Jewish) population of Israel (or any other place for that matter). They have announced their determination to "eliminate" the STATE of Israel (often citing "historical" justifications which are just as shaky as the Israeli's "historical" justifications for having a country).
Face it, the Israelis seized their country through force of arms (the "historically acceptable" way of doing it) and they are going to keep it until someone bigger/tougher/sneakier comes along and takes it away from them through force of arms.
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Sir please see the following news links (note this was a quick Google search which displayed 39,800,000 results): http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-supreme-leader-calls-for-israels-annihilation/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/huge-iran-al-quds-day-rallies-call-for-death-to-israel/
If we use your logic, I guess the Native Americans should technically want to wipe us out of Northern America because we were bigger, tougher and sneakier. Hell we even used biological agents against them.
I'm not saying the entire populace wants to wipe out Israel but their leadership does. Governments with ideology like Iran can become the next Nazi Regime.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/huge-iran-al-quds-day-rallies-call-for-death-to-israel/
If we use your logic, I guess the Native Americans should technically want to wipe us out of Northern America because we were bigger, tougher and sneakier. Hell we even used biological agents against them.
I'm not saying the entire populace wants to wipe out Israel but their leadership does. Governments with ideology like Iran can become the next Nazi Regime.
Iranian supreme leader calls for Israel’s ‘annihilation’
On Twitter, Ayatollah Khamenei says ‘barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime’ must be destroyed, West Bank Palestinians armed
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If they were really intent on killing all the Jews, why would there be thousands living peacefully in Iran? They and pretty much everyone else in the region are only upset because a Jewish religious state was established, it is that government they want annihilated.
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We all know why the general was there. Kudos to Israel for taking him out whether it was planned or not.
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Yeah, right. Oops.
Not a chance.
Much more likely:
Israel - Hey look! Hezbollah and a bunch of Revolutionary Guards, all of whom have sworn to destroy Israel. Just across the border. Sounds like a target.
Iranian RG General - Hi, Ahmed. Good to see you keeping the Zionists busy while we build weapons to destroy them once and for all. We just need a couple more years of fooling those idiots in Washington, London, and Berlin and all will be accomplished. Here are a few more rockets and some intellig... BOOM!
Israel - Splash some bad guys. Bummer if that derails those farcical "peace talks".
Iran - We still hate you.
Israel - Ditto
Israel has learned the hard way not to pussyfoot around with it's enemies. They genuinely can't figure out why the West seems to be bamboozled by the Mullahs in Iran. CLEARLY, they are playing us for suckers and trying to buy time, just like North Korea did until they figured out how to make a bomb (sort of).
I have no idea what our foreign policy is. Just when I think I've got it, along comes Libya. Then Ebola. Then Cuba. Wait, WHAT?! Our allies have been scratching their heads for years.
Not a chance.
Much more likely:
Israel - Hey look! Hezbollah and a bunch of Revolutionary Guards, all of whom have sworn to destroy Israel. Just across the border. Sounds like a target.
Iranian RG General - Hi, Ahmed. Good to see you keeping the Zionists busy while we build weapons to destroy them once and for all. We just need a couple more years of fooling those idiots in Washington, London, and Berlin and all will be accomplished. Here are a few more rockets and some intellig... BOOM!
Israel - Splash some bad guys. Bummer if that derails those farcical "peace talks".
Iran - We still hate you.
Israel - Ditto
Israel has learned the hard way not to pussyfoot around with it's enemies. They genuinely can't figure out why the West seems to be bamboozled by the Mullahs in Iran. CLEARLY, they are playing us for suckers and trying to buy time, just like North Korea did until they figured out how to make a bomb (sort of).
I have no idea what our foreign policy is. Just when I think I've got it, along comes Libya. Then Ebola. Then Cuba. Wait, WHAT?! Our allies have been scratching their heads for years.
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The fact that Israel is striking at military forces in Syria that are fighting ISIL tells us a lot about how complex the situation is...
That part of Syria is still contested between Syrian Opposition Forces and the Syrian Government which is supported by Iran and Hezbollah. For Israel to be taking out Syrian/Iranian forces in that contested area amounts to protection and support for allies of ISIL... you can't hurt one set of bad guys, without helping another set of bad guys.
That part of Syria is still contested between Syrian Opposition Forces and the Syrian Government which is supported by Iran and Hezbollah. For Israel to be taking out Syrian/Iranian forces in that contested area amounts to protection and support for allies of ISIL... you can't hurt one set of bad guys, without helping another set of bad guys.
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COL Ted Mc
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Who cares - Iran supplied many of the IEDs that killed my brothers and sisters during our deployment.
I just wish it happened more.
I just wish it happened more.
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COL Ted Mc
SF [Easton, PA]; You say "Who cares." - well anyone who cares about actually ending the Middle East Stand Off does.
Please note that the "I" in "IED" stands for "Improvised" and not "Iranian". The fougasse is a weapon that has been in use since (at least) the 1750s (and there is some reference to it going back to the Sixteenth Century. It most certainly is NOT new, it is ALWAYS "improvised", and it simply doesn't work if it isn't explosive.
You can make EFPs at home in your spare time using heavy copper sheeting and a potter's wheel provided that you have a sufficient supply of explosives and steel pipe for the IED's body.
Since there is a lot of scrap steel/iron pipe in Iraq and since Arabic cooking frequently used copper pots that look a lot like woks, and since a whole lot of explosive material in Iraq simply grew legs and walked away before anyone thought to take charge of it, the need for the Iraqis to "import" IEDs was/is very low (except, of course, for those Iraqis who are very modish/trendy and insist on only being seen with "designer" IEDs).
Please note that the "I" in "IED" stands for "Improvised" and not "Iranian". The fougasse is a weapon that has been in use since (at least) the 1750s (and there is some reference to it going back to the Sixteenth Century. It most certainly is NOT new, it is ALWAYS "improvised", and it simply doesn't work if it isn't explosive.
You can make EFPs at home in your spare time using heavy copper sheeting and a potter's wheel provided that you have a sufficient supply of explosives and steel pipe for the IED's body.
Since there is a lot of scrap steel/iron pipe in Iraq and since Arabic cooking frequently used copper pots that look a lot like woks, and since a whole lot of explosive material in Iraq simply grew legs and walked away before anyone thought to take charge of it, the need for the Iraqis to "import" IEDs was/is very low (except, of course, for those Iraqis who are very modish/trendy and insist on only being seen with "designer" IEDs).
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Sir, no offense but I know what an IED means. The ones that hit us where from Iran, was in the briefs that even showed evidence of how they were coming across the boarder. When your platoon puts one of your dead battles on a HUMVEE, it becomes personal.
If you can solve a problem of the middle east without bullets, I'll recommend you an ARCOM until then my guys will be on the front lines "fighting" for peace.
If you can solve a problem of the middle east without bullets, I'll recommend you an ARCOM until then my guys will be on the front lines "fighting" for peace.
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SSG Charles Coats
SFC Rummler, first my condolences to your comrades, I have strong feelings about the whole sordid affair but that's another discussion. I didn't believe the media-driven lie that the IED's were coming from Iran then, and I still don't believe it now; if I may suggest, an article (of many that can be found) that shows how these accusations are made but never substantiated. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=10339
The media also prey relentlessly on the ignorance of the American public with regard to Middle Eastern history and the various sects with regard to the various sects, alliances, enemies, etc.
The media also prey relentlessly on the ignorance of the American public with regard to Middle Eastern history and the various sects with regard to the various sects, alliances, enemies, etc.
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SSG Charles Coats
Also, as painful as it might be to acknowledge, there is some good evidence to suggest that it was Israeli's (among others) in Iraq that were setting off the IED's and causing mayhem during the war, not Iranians or even Iraqis. British soldiers were caught red-handed in Basra during Sept 2005... http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-uncover-operation-in-basra-agents-provocateurs/990
This is SOP for how people are swayed in this day in age; this type of false-flag is also how the Israeli's operate...
This is SOP for how people are swayed in this day in age; this type of false-flag is also how the Israeli's operate...
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Good response by Israel!
"Oops! We were shooting at known terrorists. By the way, why WAS one of your Generals hanging out with a known terrorist organization? There isn't any truth behind those 'allegations' that Iran has supported Hezbollah since its inception right?" Then smile sweetly and walk away.
"Oops! We were shooting at known terrorists. By the way, why WAS one of your Generals hanging out with a known terrorist organization? There isn't any truth behind those 'allegations' that Iran has supported Hezbollah since its inception right?" Then smile sweetly and walk away.
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COL Ted Mc
TSgt (Join to see) Airman; Of course they knew. Their "mistake" was taking the shot at an incredibly bad time. Short term gains can sometimes result in long term pains and this is likely to be one of them.
Being really cynical, I can also envision the Iranians apologizing for killing an Israeli/American general with an (equally) sincere "Oops, we thought that it was a bunch of those awful ISIS terrorists. Sorry about that.".
On the other hand, that would never happen - right?
Being really cynical, I can also envision the Iranians apologizing for killing an Israeli/American general with an (equally) sincere "Oops, we thought that it was a bunch of those awful ISIS terrorists. Sorry about that.".
On the other hand, that would never happen - right?
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SN Trevor Sanchez
Col Ted Mc, I think they took the shot at an incredibly good time. It shows Iran that no matter what posturing they do to appear like they really mean no harm to Israel or any other country (meaning us) and regardless of the rhetoric showing them threatening to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth. Then sending their General showing they are actively supporting a known terrorist organization that has sworn to destroy Israel and that is actively scouting around the targeted countries borders, they become a target themselves. Timing was perfect. If the opportunity presents itself, you take the shot.
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