Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
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The civilian would have been told where to go on the spot quietly, respectfully and escorted out of the area as required. Then I would have been forced to follow through with official in writing reprimand of said civilian with appropriate civilian authorities. As for the Soldier with the same attitude as the inappropriate civilian...I would have done everything possible to make him available to be a worthless civilian instead of a worthless member of the military network. You can't save every member of the military, and the attitude of this one strongly suggests to me he belong in the category of not able to be salvaged.
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After being in the civilian world long enough you realize how absolutely worthless a lot of the military dog and pony show is. You begin to realize that it at all actually hinders work getting done not promotes it. Civilians don't have time for all the military bullshit because in the real world you succeed or fail based on your skills not based on how well you can answer random questions about regulations and dress yourself. So I know where the civilian was coming from.
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LT Erik Sapp
I have to agree with this. I am a criminal defense attorney. My first thought when reading the initial post was "the soldier probably looked more put together than a lot of witnesses I've seen in court."
SSG, the soldier wasn't your responsibility (unless he's your direct subordinate. Your role in all of this is not clear). The proper person to berate him was the defense attorney. Rather than berate him, that time could have been better spent sending him home to change into the proper uniform, or, if there wasn't time for that, making sure the uniform he was in looked as good as possible.
SSG, the soldier wasn't your responsibility (unless he's your direct subordinate. Your role in all of this is not clear). The proper person to berate him was the defense attorney. Rather than berate him, that time could have been better spent sending him home to change into the proper uniform, or, if there wasn't time for that, making sure the uniform he was in looked as good as possible.
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In today's sjw politics I feel you are fighting the good fight with your hands tied. At the same time this soldier lost his drive and nothing you do is going to correct that, put him out of yours and his misery put him out swiftly. He is on his way out with that court martial.
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Then if pushing don't work, fuck it, write him up on another 15. Clearly this member doesn't give a shit about his career. Bury him in paperwork so a BCD or DD are his only options.
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Who gives a fuck? The guy was getting court-martialed already and was surely on his way out.
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Was it his court martial? I'd just let nature take its course at that point.
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I'd get over myself... This Soldier is being Court Martial'd what do you expect?
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I see the original post is pretty old. SFC (Join to see), what finally happened to the soldier who showed up in the incorrect uniform?
I hope he was counseled and booted out of the Army. As for the Air Force Civilian, she should have known better than to stick her nose into military business. Hope her supervisor set her straight.
I hope he was counseled and booted out of the Army. As for the Air Force Civilian, she should have known better than to stick her nose into military business. Hope her supervisor set her straight.
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