Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 380
First off, the soldier obviously doesn't give a damn. So, trying to make him give a damn is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It pisses you and the pig off. You asked the question and he got mouthy. Could be a defense mechanism, could be something else. He chose to disrespect you. Ok, SNS disrespected an officer, wore the wrong uniform ( direct disobedience to an order or regulation) so, its more charges. More charges mean more punishment. He/ she was obviously a hard headed individual. You just add the charges and continue on. As long as the person wasn't being violent toward you or your paralegal, as long as immediate bodily harm wasn't present, Charlie Mike. Sometimes it takes an officer to maintain his/ her cool and set the example. At least he will remember your professionalism and how you handled him/ her. (If and when that individual wakes up and realizes how much of a a-hole they were) I've seen the attitudes of the millennials . Most of them have a suck butt work ethic and major attitude due to piss poor parenting. Not your problem. You are in a position of power due to your hard work and education. Follow suit. Be calm and lead when all others are falling down around you. That's your job. I know it pisses you off, no one regardless of rank or walk of life likes being disrespected. Do the opposite, kill them with professionalism and the pen.
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I would have corrected the Civilian who stuck their nose where it didn't belong, right then and there. Then l would have continued correcting the Soldier.
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Told him to leave and change and let the proper personnel that it would be a delay in proceedings get the bailiff to escort him out
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Just mind your business and you won't get disrespected. If he's not your soldier then leave it alone because at the end of the day you don't know what's going on with him. People don't know how to mind there business and surprised that they get disrespected because of it. You don't need to know his business your not his nco. If he is wrong let his chain of command handle that
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If the courts martial wasn't already directed at that individual, that was a stupid move, if it was, that's more material in his jacket. I don't know about you, but the fewer disciplinary items in a jacket the better! I seen a PV2 end his career in two words. He showed up drunk for a formation, that could've ended it alone, but my section had NCO's that had been young and stupid, my squad leader was going start with a counseling form, and since this was the first offense leave it up to our section chief what happened next. He was making it clear he was extremely pissed that this kid showed up in that condition ( he was drunk, not hung over) when the PV2 told him to fuck off. Those two words were the difference between a worse case scenario of extra duty and lost pay and a dishonorable discharge!
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Paralegal?? Some kind of Legal Rep? How can they develop leaders if they put crap in your way?
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The first problem is nobody tore his head off and shit down his neck for putting his friggin hands in his pockets. I would have have told that civilian to fuck off, and then carried on with the ass chewing that was about to ensue.
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What is going on with the military when I was in the best thing they would have done was demote you the worst is demote you and give you a beat down! I'm not saying beat the guy but you were terrified of disrespecting a superior officer!
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Time for an Artical 15 and a reminder to Civilian to mind there won beeswax but thats the new military a bunch of pusse*'s
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There are 2 correction to deal with here. First was the soldier's disrespect, then the civilian's disrespect. If it was me I would have informed the civilian that they work at the pleasure of the Military and could be replaced by a uniformed service member who would pick up a weapon if needed and still do the job there job. A civilian may not have to salute but will show respect even to the lowest ranking service member. As for the soldier I would inform them that any display of disrespect can be punished either with current charges or separately.
I was in the military when they as they started to replace special duty military personnel with civilians and it was a rocky road especially for security. We had to replace the civilians who didn't show up for work with soldiers and when the Military commander felt a need to adjust the requirements they didn't understand that they had to follow the military commanders instructions to the letter and could not just do what they wanted.
I was in the military when they as they started to replace special duty military personnel with civilians and it was a rocky road especially for security. We had to replace the civilians who didn't show up for work with soldiers and when the Military commander felt a need to adjust the requirements they didn't understand that they had to follow the military commanders instructions to the letter and could not just do what they wanted.
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