Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SSG Daniel Seymour
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they are Cadets they are in training mode and that's that!
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CPT Career Manager Officer
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No as you technically are not an Officer yet because you have not been appointed by the President of the US (which technically once that happens then you are an Officer) You are a "trainee" to become an Officer.
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TSgt David Olson
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When I was an Air Force T I at Lackland AFB, I had an AF academy cadet assigned to one flight, for the entire six week period. He was fascinated that I could produce an airman in six weeks. He measured that against his four years to become an officer. Regarding his “status” he was attached to learn and observe. My trainees called him sir and gave him the same respect they accorded me.
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SGT Burt Greenfield
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Where do I find the film I would love to see it
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Cpl Brian Escobar
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Oh God Bless Your Heart. LMAO!
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SFC(P) Owner
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I refer to them as Ma'am or Sir, as per regulation, and yes they do "outrank" NCOs. Baby zeros most usually don't really have much to say to NCOs, particularly bitter disgruntled combat Vets, not in their chain of command. My -Os- wouldn't approve of me associating with them, and or them giving me orders. I recently saw a bunch at an Army post, little gold and silver Dots. I avoided them like the plague, and advised my troops to give them a wide berth. A couple of attractive young female baby zeros, came through the chow hall. One of my guys was looking pretty hard at them. He got counseled rapidly, and advised to stay away and or suffer greatly. In my experience, I've only seen a couple and spoke to even fewer cadets. I don't typically have much to say to officers to begin with, and respectfully only occasionally interact with the ones in my chain of command, on a "have to" basis.
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TSgt Travis Wheeler
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No, they don't "outrank" NCOs. Learn your regs. Cadet is not a paid nor contracted role nor rank in the US military. These cadets are contracted (some of them) at a reserve rank of up to E-4 depending on their contract terms. That's it.
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MAJ Craig Gilkison
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Is 'cadet' on the chart of NCO ranks? Is Cadet on the chart of Commissioned or Warrant ranks. Not commissioned? No appointment as an NCO. A cadet outranks no one. You don't get rank until you earn it, direct commissions excepted.
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SGT Michael Koukaras
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Actually, they are correct. In accordance with AR 600-20 table 1-2 shows the Cadet ranking below the Warrent Officer but above Sergeant Major of the Army. Now it is usually considered poor form for a Cadet to "pull rank" on senior enlisted as they are there to learn from those NCO'S.
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COL Frank Siltman
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Yes.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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I recall being very uncomfortable as a new 2LT supposedly outranking men with a decade or two of experience. I had a SMSgt and a CWO4 reporting to me officially, but I looked to them for advice and assistance primarily, and didn't get in their way unnecessarily in running the day-to-day operations. Discretion is the better part of wisdom in dealing with that situation.

The case of cadets is even more tenuous; they would be wise to watch and listen more than they speak until they learn their craft.
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