Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers? I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?

Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?

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Posted 4 y ago

CADETS Actually Don't Out Rank Any Military Because They're TRAINEES For A Rank IN The Military...
Cadets Don't Even Out Rank An Enclosed Fart In a Space Suit... ...

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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney

4 y

Does Anyone Know Why The Name "Edeba2ec" Appears In The Upper Left Of The Reply Areas Of My Comments, Then Disappears After I Respond"?....

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GySgt Jack Wallace

>1 y

Fyi, No dog in this hunt, but just like you A1c Devaney, they are Trainees/Cadets and should NOT get any Rank Privileges what so ever.Note; it's is a damn shame that the military can't choke-out a Trainee/Recruit any more. It worked for us!!!! Soft*

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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney

>1 y

GySgt Jack Wallace - ... JACK,? I Got The Info From The Web. Wasn't Anything I'd Previously Known:

Do cadets outrank enlisted? - bie.curwensvillealliance.org
bie.curwensvillealliance.org/do-cadets-outrank-enlisted
If you mean active duty enlisted/NCO's and a cadet (basically someone going to officer school), the answer is no. Cadets (with very limited exceptions) are not officers outside of their own cadet corps. No, enlisted do not have to salute cadets, unless the cadet salutes them. Also Know, do midshipmen outrank enlisted?

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Posted 6 y ago

I can only comment on OCS. For OCS we are E-4 but in a E-5 pay grade(we get payed as an E-5). We are in gray are since we are part of TRADOC and are in a student status. Until cadets commission they are in the same boat as OCS. Short answer is no.

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LTC Stephen F.

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FYI 2LT (Join to see)
Per AR 600–20 • 24 July 2020 5
Cadets rank just below WO-1 USMA, ROTC and then OCS
Table 1 –1
Grades, Army— Continued
W-2 Pay grade; Title of address: Chief/Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: CW2
W-1 Pay grade: W –1; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: WO1
USMA Cadets; Cadet, U.S. Military Academy; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
ROTC cadet Grade: Cadet, Senior Advanced Reserve Officer’s Training Corps (ROTC); Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
Officer Candidate School Candidates; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: OC
Warrant Officer Candidate; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: WOC

Enlisted noncommissioned officers
Sergeant Major of the Army; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major2; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major [3]; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
First Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: First Sergeant
Master Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: Sergeant
Sergeant First Class; Pay grade: E –7; Title of address: Sergeant

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Posted >1 y ago

way back when I was an MP company CO, we were so short of officers that I had 2 cadets and an E7 as PLs....

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CH (CPT) (Join to see)

Posted >1 y ago

I’m an O3 (and a chaplain so really don’t ever pull rank of anyone)... I wouldn’t even think of throwing rank around with E8’s or 9’s. I have learned so much from E8’s and E9’s in the units where I’ve served. Some cadets may have to learn this the hard way.

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SGT Darryl Leake

Posted >1 y ago

Just send SPOT to go talk to the commander.

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SSG John Bacon

6 y

bwahahahahaha!

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Col Robert Wallace

Posted >1 y ago

Whoa there. Let's do a little disecting of the statement "Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned offices?". I am Air Force but to my knowledge, my comment applies to all branches of the Armed Forces. There are two catagories for military personnel - Enlisted & Officer. Whether a private or a 20 yr NCO, you are considered Enlisted Personnel. Upon being bestowed with a commission, you are now an officer. Between those two classifications is the area for those who are learnig/studying to become an officer - namely, a cadet. A cadet is neither Enlisted Personnel nor Officer & does not outrank anyone outside of the learning institution. In all my years of service, I have never seen, read or heard of any Regulation that authorizes a cadet to outrank a NCO. Along with that is the false statement that Enlisted must salute a cadet. If it is done, it is done as a courtesy, not a requirement.

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1SG Delray Jensen

Posted >1 y ago

Cadets are neither Commissioned or Non-commissioned they have no rank in the armed forces. We generally give them the respect due Officers as part of their training to become Officers.

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LTC Stephen F.

>1 y

Actually 1SG Delray Jensen
Per AR 600–20 • 24 July 2020 5
Cadets rank just below WO-1 USMA, ROTC and then OCS
Table 1 –1
Grades, Army— Continued
W-2 Pay grade; Title of address: Chief/Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: CW2
W-1 Pay grade: W –1; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: WO1
USMA Cadets; Cadet, U.S. Military Academy; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
ROTC cadet Grade: Cadet, Senior Advanced Reserve Officer’s Training Corps (ROTC); Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
Officer Candidate School Candidates; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: OC
Warrant Officer Candidate; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: WOC

Enlisted noncommissioned officers
Sergeant Major of the Army; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major2; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major [3]; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
First Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: First Sergeant
Master Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: Sergeant
Sergeant First Class; Pay grade: E –7; Title of address: Sergeant

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SGT Mustafa Stokely

Posted >1 y ago

After my service in the active Army, I went into the Army Reserve and started attending a university. I toyed with the idea of a commission and became an ROTC cadet and was assigned to an Armor Battalion in Farmington, MO. (I don't think Armor Battalions exist anymore, am I correct in my assumption?) At any rate, I want to provide an example which may shed some light on this issue. During formations, we (cadets) stood to the rear of the main formation and remained at ease, even when a senior NCO called everyone to attention. We only came to attention when the order to do so was then given by a commissioned officer. For pay purposes, we were at E5 pay grade and the enlisted folks were required to call us Sir and Mam, (presumably depending on the gender of a given cadet! ha!) As for the rest, we were treated as officers in training. Our proverbial "marching orders" always came from the commissioned folks and we were generally shunned by the NCO's. As a prior-service cadet, I had an easier time being "accepted" by the NCO's than the other cadets with no prior-service experience.

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SPC Joshua Ulch

Posted >1 y ago

They can try to pull rank. But if they’re wise, the wouldn’t dare. However, it’s doubtful because they haven’t been commissioned yet, so I don’t believe they can do anything.

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LTC Stephen F.

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Actually SPC Joshua Ulch
Per AR 600–20 • 24 July 2020 5
Cadets rank just below WO-1 USMA, ROTC and then OCS
Table 1 –1
Grades, Army— Continued
W-2 Pay grade; Title of address: Chief/Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: CW2
W-1 Pay grade: W –1; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: WO1
USMA Cadets; Cadet, U.S. Military Academy; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
ROTC cadet Grade: Cadet, Senior Advanced Reserve Officer’s Training Corps (ROTC); Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
Officer Candidate School Candidates; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: OC
Warrant Officer Candidate; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: WOC

Enlisted noncommissioned officers
Sergeant Major of the Army; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major2; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major [3]; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
First Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: First Sergeant
Master Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: Sergeant
Sergeant First Class; Pay grade: E –7; Title of address: Sergeant

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CW5 John Vassar

Posted >1 y ago

Technically, Cadets are E-5s ... A West Pointer tried to pull-rank on me when I was a Cadet in the Reserves and I told him to KMA and take me to his Regimental Commander so that we could have-it-out ... Years later, another West Pointer tried to pull-rank on me and I told him that I was wearing Majors Leaves when he was in diapers, so let's go-see the General ... As usual, they scurried back into their holes ... :-)

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MSgt Allen Chandler

>1 y

Is he/she an E-5 or has a pay grade equal to an E-5? they are not the same. can a cadet walk a way from the school and not go to jail? Some civilians have rank equal to but not the same as military.

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SGT Mustafa Stokely

>1 y

https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/

Yes, Sergeant, Actually That West Point Cadet Does Outrank You - Modern War Institute

Scott Faith argues that contrary to popular belief West Point and ROTC cadets outrank NCO's according to Army Command Policy.

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LTC Stephen F.

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Actually CW5 John Vassar
Per AR 600–20 • 24 July 2020 5
Cadets rank just below WO-1- USMA, ROTC and then OCS
Table 1 –1
Grades, Army— Continued
W-2 Pay grade; Title of address: Chief/Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: CW2
W-1 Pay grade: W –1; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms.
Abbreviation: WO1
USMA Cadets; Cadet, U.S. Military Academy; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
ROTC cadet Grade: Cadet, Senior Advanced Reserve Officer’s Training Corps (ROTC); Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet
Abbreviation: CDT
Officer Candidate School Candidates; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: OC
Warrant Officer Candidate; Pay grade: Special; Title of address: Candidate
Abbreviation: WOC

Enlisted noncommissioned officers
Sergeant Major of the Army; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major2; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major [3]; Pay grade: E –9; Title of address: Sergeant Major
First Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: First Sergeant
Master Sergeant; Pay grade: E –8; Title of address: Sergeant
Sergeant First Class; Pay grade: E –7; Title of address: Sergeant

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